Market Discussions

Completed/Currently running bonds:

Bond #1 (500m isk, Matured, paid out): https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=7422

and its subsequent thread announcing its completion: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=postmessage&m=127864

Bond #2 (2bn isk, Matured, paid out): https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=18073&find=unread

Bond #3 (3bn, Matured, paid out concurrently with bond 4): https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=23688

Bond #4 (5bn, Matured, paid out concurrently with bond 3): https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=30892&find=unread


Standard Introduction:

Hello to all - I have been playing eve close to 2 years now and have been practicing with small investments on the market. I believe I have been waiting for a while to get a chance to start a bond and this seems like a decent starting point.

A little bit about myself and my corp - My entire corp of Often AFK is my 2 mains and alts. All 6 chars are trained in PI, and I am currently running 12 planets in a WH with elite CC for PI which nets me between 700 to 800m a month with this char and another, Colonel Vatutin. My total assets excluding the resources in the WH come to about 16.6 bn at the moment, and that is not counting the last monthly income from PI of approx. 700-800m, increased now due to better PI market conditions to a little over 1.1bn. Most of them are heavily invested in the markets, and since I have been investing seriously since the end of august I have been able to gain a good 30% back on my investments due to heavy market PVP. I started with about 1.18 bn on liquid isk around the end of august this year, and is now investing a little over 24bn.

The #5 bond amount will be to 12bn, with shares offered at 100m increments for a total of 120 shares. The rate will be set at 12%, and I hope to fill it soon and run it until December 29th, 2011.

Otherwise, terms are similar to what it was in the past. Only this time, please send it to Colonel Vatutin.

I am still doing some PI after deciding against pulling out of the WH then concentrating on potential manufacturing and increased between-trading activities with DJ Blackman and other alts stationed in new eden. I would assume it would balance out the same as before, perhaps with slight increase. Even if everything somehow went south, I could potentially liquidate 50% of my total market escrow to cover 12bn + interest at will from total of 24.1bn current escrow.

Details are as follows:

- 12bn total bond value, available in 100m for each bond share. 100,000,000.01 isk bonds will be returned to owners due not following instructions

- 12% return with principle at the end of the cycle exactly on Dec. 29th, 2011.

- Bond will run as soon as it is filled and iskies are received.

- Send ISK to Colonel Vatutin - my other main in the same corp.


- No collateral, only my trust and yours in making this work.

- Risk of running: As I always say, why the hell would I run off in a char with some few bucks worth of isk when I invested over twenty times that playing eve for 2 years on two accounts? Why would I risk ostracizing and biomassing my chars for this amount? To me, these two accounts are culmination of a series of hard-learned lessons that I hope to expand upon and achieve a notable degree of financial and influential success. But then, it all comes down to mutual trust in investments.


The reason I do so without a collateral offering is the following:

I believe trust is a valuable and most expensive commodity there is in the dog-eat world of eve online, and I hope to earn that trust to expand my business! Btw- chribba is a fine example of trust as an invaluable asset- I do hope I can do the same. In the future with greater amount I will be willing to use his services to secure collaterals, but I wanted to prove with these humble bond offerings that I can be trusted - with or without oversights. I believe this is a risky but sincere manner in which I hope to earn your trust. Normally such offerings will give 8-10%, but considering the risk, I am offering greater rates at 12%.


Furthermore, eve for me is a way to relieve stress in a virtual world; as generic as that sounds, some people actually have a life (WAT??) and I have my fill of dealing with scumbaggery and general s#ht in real life, I do not need more here. I want to explore just what I can achieve in a comparatively secure (trust me it is) environment that is eve and hope similarly like minded people would agree in this endeavor. If interested, see past threads about answers to questions regarding my policy in this matter.

Smooth sailing

Shareholders:

The Pear - 1.5bn (15 shares) ISK RECEIVED - CONFIRMED
Juunichi Asakura - 5bn (50 shares) ISK RECEIVED - CONFIRMED
Hillesumos - 1bn (10 shares) ISK RECEIVED - CONFIRMED
LlamaBin Llama - 4.5bn (45 shares) - ISK RECEIVED - CONFIRMED

RESERVATION POLICY:

Post here and/or shoot me an eve mail/convo to reserve the shares. ISK must be sent within 24 hours of said post/mail/chat or else it is revoked.



CONVO Colonel Vatutin for any questions or emails, since that is the char I am online with most of the time.

UPDATE: BOND FILLED RUNNING UNTIL DESIGNATED TIME.

Confirmed ISK received in the amount of 1.5bn from The Pear. Thank you.

Confirmed ISK received in the amount of 5.0bn isk from JA. Thank you.

Bond still open for 5.5bn isk, all investors welcome.

purchased 1 Bil block of the bond, hope that you will suceed.

How's my favorite scammer doing? I see you found 2 fresh alts/friends to post here, good for you!

I troll because I care :)

Anyway when are you going to submit to an audit, or get a third party involved like you promised?

Oh and why am I #3?

4.5B paid to fill remaining shares.

Thats really classy. Id like to point out that I never resorted to personal attacks and juvenile insults like that.

Anyway if there really is anyone who is actually considering investing in this id like to point out that both flakeys and RAW passed. The OP even went as far as to insult flakeys for no good reason.

Juvenile idiot like you DO recognize one when they see it don't you? I thought I might speak your language so it might get through to your head Really there is little other way of communicating with a person who has his head stuck so far up the hole he can't see the sunlight

You always complain about person attacks, but I think it is clearly obvious to anyone who the real pretentious one trying to make personal attack is here: You try to hide behind not obviously (but still pretty obvious despite how clever you think it is) insulting others, but your intentions full of juvenile contempt for other people with different opinions and is so painfully obvious to anyone with half a brain. It just makes your moaning of 'personal attacks' all that more ironic

After having explained things countless times, this idiot just keeps getting more and more pathetic saying the same thing over and over again. I think anyone can see from your posts that you walked in with a smug little attitude, found out that people may not all have the same opinion as you (WHAT A SURPRISE) and got so ass pained that you are now following people around thinking it's actually going to get you somewhere aside from looking like a man-child with unsightly tantrum issues.

Flakey's and RAW both had their opinions, and we can agree at least in kind that some people have difference in how they view things (this must be news for you). Flakey was a bit sudden in his accusations, and the way he phrased and introduced himself to the thread could have been misleading as was posted, so there was bound to be some misunderstanding in intentions, which was partially an error in his part and mine as well- something he at least graciously acknowledged unlike you, and I did likewise, and I hold no hard feelings for him I think the only one holding grudges and major asspain from something as trivial as online banter here is you
As for RAW, his arguments and reasons were valid, but we can agree to disagree. Unlike you, I have no intention of pretentiously telling others what they should do with their money
Either of these people were at least decent enough to reasonably provide some basis for their views that were not yet clearly addressed, and even when there were clashes, I would think they are experienced and magnanimous enough to extend the necessary courtesy and respect in the most basic sense, and I would do the same to them in the future. You have proven again and again you deserve no such treatment.

Unless you wish to smear yourself with even more sh!t that you already have, I suggest you think twice about flapping your mouth carelessly to people you have just met on the forums. The way you think you can jump at someone and say whatever comes to mind first is not something anyone would acknowledge. The fact that you don't know this and keeps making the same mistake over and over again says volumes about who you are.

But keep going With someone like you we can do this all day and not worry a bit about who is really making a fool of himself.


@ Ollie:

Join the fun, this one's asking for it

Good advice Ollie, and perfectly reasonable. It is of course not as if I had not considered such impressions before these events; however there are two sides to the coin in this. Sometimes a person needs to speak the only language that actually gets understood; No one, at least my self, takes great deal of pleasure in such actions, but like they say, you can't shovel mud without getting a little dirty in the process. I am sure that people would recognize that sometimes, a means to make a point is necessary. Besides, I am sure anyone can see that it is not been thrown in carelessly, since I have offered the same courtesy and respect to those willing to do so as well. =)

You point is taken though; it is now pointless to go ripping up trolls in this thread - afterall, after this I am sure anyone can see who's really trying to make a point. ^^

In terms of burnouts, I have had a burnout before in this game which gave me some experience and perspective into how to prevent such occurrences, as well as not allowing it to impact my game play. Your advice and concern is perfectly valid however, and I thank you for bringing it up and giving me a chance to answer them. If you have any other feedbacks/concerns/points you feel would help these endeavors, I would greatly appreciate them =)

Thank you, and happy isking.