Crime & Punishment

what happens when a renter goes bad and decides to just hot drop everyone?

I'm not sure SYJ's diplomatic resume is of such concern. If you're asking if a pvp alliance is going to shoot targets that are hitting your towers, the answer is obviously yes.

You know while this offer sounds juicy in theory you've not given any solid proof that you're in control of the said region and there has been plenty of posts in the topic from neutral entities saying they roam khanid frequently.

In the end if carebears lose their ice mining fleet few times for example it will not be worth moving out.So my theory is this: prove that you're the masters and no one can get in or out without your permission then you might get your project going.So far i've not seen such proof just empty words without backing.

Since you started off with it -- I really don't care about your standings. The moons are back in N3, so I got what I wanted. Your insistence on trying to contact our diplos is just amusing, along with your comment about talking to vince (lol). Your conversations might be getting ignored because we simply don't care.

I'll refute your first point again:

1) The reason a legitimate rental alliance (Such as Northern Associates, or our CFC counterpart) doesn't run off with your isk is because there are 800b/month of renters already living in space (which we own) and if we started robbing people that would pretty quickly dry up. You guys, on the other hand, have no enforceable claim, nor any collateral (other than a dubious reputation as a lowsec pirate alliance). Think of squatters walking into an abandoned building and then charging rent to other squatters. No one owns it, and the other "tenants" have as much right to be there as you do.

2) Even if you try to engage reds on a station, they can just dock and play the same station games you do. Again -- you can't lock anyone out of stations because you don't own them. They can use all the industry slots, clone bays, market, and undock and dock freely because you really can't do anything to stop them, and you only have dominance in ONE of the three major timezones.

3) You are correct that lowsec has it's own set of benefits, and all of them in general are vastly inferior to nullsec. If people are going to pay you to live somewhere, they aren't doing it in the "spirit of exploration". They're doing it to make money.

4) You can attempt to attack orbital assets, but again -- the level of control you exercise is minimal. But this is kind of a moot point because you can do 90% of activites from the numerous NPC stations in the area. It's not as if you need intensive refining arrays, and there are plenty of industry slots. And since there is no sov, it's not as though people will be anchoring CSAAs.



My post really wasn't a personal attack, your ad hominem is really presented only because you can't truly refute my points.

The bottom line is that lowsec is not really controllable in any true sense. You can offer people the illusion of safety -- but that's really all it is. It's the same reason that alliances "live" in NPC null, but don't really "own" it. Faction Warfare space and the milita that take part in it are the only thing that comes close to sov null. And even then -- FW provides money far in excess compared to what lowsec can provide otherwise.

Bottom line -- if you're going to rent space, rent it from a legitimate entity that actually holds it.

PS -- I'm sorry we couldn't be friends as well. If you're interested in working together in the future though we have most of Impass that needs renting and I'm sure we could work something out for you and yours.

I used to live in Khanid... It was literally space Kansas and every time you heard banjo's you'd have to dock up or relive a scene out of Deliverance... Why anyone would want to rent in that S&%thole is beyond me... Oh does Elite Stealth still live down there? Please extract tears from him.