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Solecist Project
#21 - 2014-05-02 08:35:53 UTC
Evelyn Meiyi wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
Hi Sibius!

It's called multiboxing. People control all their ships at once,
through a program that relays the input to the other client.

As it isn't doing anything on it's own,
and only works as long as somebody gives commands,,
it's considered to be legal within the EULA.



Actually...under a strict reading of the EULA, a multiboxing program is 'third-party' software that '[facilitates] acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. '

Of course, that interpretation depends on whether mining via 40 separate accounts at one time is considered an 'accelerated rate'.

Clarification from CCP (even if it's already been given) might make things a bit less foggy. :)

There is nothing to interpret here.

They consider it legal within the EULA.

Clarification has already been given
and there is nothing foggy about it.

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Solecist Project
#22 - 2014-05-02 08:38:49 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Basically, it comes down to this: one form of automations (botting) is considered against the EULA while another form of automation (isboxer) is not.

Both take limited inputs (i.e. fewer inputs then it would normally take to run say 40 clients) and apply them to a larger set of clients. Botting does this through a "run" command that executes a predefined program while the user is away whereas isboxer effectively runs a number of smaller programs (macros) while the user is (nominally) at the keyboard.

Either way automates gameplay, but CCP says one is bad and the other isn't, so those are the rules we play by. If you don't like it.....well....catalysts are a cheap solution to your problem.


An automat does things by itself. Hence the "auto" in automat.
ISboxer does nothing by itself and is dependent on input by a user.
It's not an automat in any way or form, unless you add botting software.

It copies information and does not create it.
Copying information isn't the same as creating it.


All this has been discussed to death already and can be looked up
using google to search through the forums.

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Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#23 - 2014-05-02 08:39:19 UTC
Dreadchain wrote:
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Since there is no limit on number of accounts you can have why would multiboxing them all be against rules? As long as you don't engage in illegitimate activities why should anyone care? There are in-game means to make your life miserable but I guess they require more effort than forum whine thread.


I think they're talking about the use of ISBoxer and similar software, not multiboxing itself.


Oh, I know it is about ISBoxer but splitting hair over it is futile as CCP clearly stated many times using it for legitimate reasons is fine. So basically HTFU, deal with it, etc.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#24 - 2014-05-02 09:08:00 UTC
ccp hate macros because they automate player input, multiboxing only proliferates player input and in no way replaces it, it also facilitates one player chewing through 40 plex a month, that's around 840(ish)euro a month that ccp can then account for, or straight up profit for them...so yeah...they don't have a problem with multiboxing.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#25 - 2014-05-02 09:16:05 UTC
Yim Sei wrote:
Its very much like a corrupt real world model.

CCP (Government) gives corporations the ability to create vast wealth (by allowing Isboxer).


In the real world I also became rich by using ISboxer to work multiple jobs at once.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#26 - 2014-05-02 09:18:38 UTC
Evelyn Meiyi wrote:
Actually...under a strict reading of the EULA, a multiboxing program is 'third-party' software that '[facilitates] acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play.


How does an account used by a multiboxer obtain stuff at an accelerated rate over an account not used by a multiboxer?

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Solecist Project
#27 - 2014-05-02 09:19:11 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Yim Sei wrote:
Its very much like a corrupt real world model.

CCP (Government) gives corporations the ability to create vast wealth (by allowing Isboxer).


In the real world I also became rich by using ISboxer to work multiple jobs at once.
That's a flawed argument.
Lots of politicians "work" at several positions at once.
(without really working at all. scumsuckers.)

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Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2014-05-02 09:23:47 UTC
oh wait is this one of those "multiboxing is bad" thread?
gosh, is it really that time of the year already?

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The Scope
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2014-05-02 11:06:10 UTC
Grimpak wrote:
oh wait is this one of those "multiboxing is bad" thread?
gosh, is it really that time of the year already?

No, this is a stealth "nerf hisec" thread.

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TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#30 - 2014-05-02 11:12:21 UTC
o dear forum gods....not another one...

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Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#31 - 2014-05-02 11:20:41 UTC
Just laugh at Macro botters & IS boxers. How crap must your life be if you can't make enough real life cash to support your wish in a computer game?

I think it was a blunder for CCP to promote such behaviour as it puts real gamers/players off the game but this flawed philosophy is entrenched in CCP and sadly will not go away. I'm actually watching CCP flail about on stage talking about botting now. How they give botters and such chances, why not a 1 strike policy? IS boxer should be banned too.
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#32 - 2014-05-02 11:21:08 UTC
Meh. I'd still rather see 41 people playing EVE than one person playing 41 people playing EVE.

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Solecist Project
#33 - 2014-05-02 11:25:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
Just laugh at Macro botters & IS boxers. How crap must your life be if you can't make enough real life cash to support your wish in a computer game?

I think it was a blunder for CCP to promote such behaviour as it puts real gamers/players off the game but this flawed philosophy is entrenched in CCP and sadly will not go away. I'm actually watching CCP flail about on stage talking about botting now. How they give botters and such chances, why not a 1 strike policy? IS boxer should be banned too.

Just laugh at people who believe that the one reason they think of is the only reason why some people do what they are doing. How crap must your life be if you can't think of more reasons and have to make fun of others?

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#34 - 2014-05-02 11:26:04 UTC
Evelyn Meiyi wrote:
Actually...under a strict reading of the EULA, a multiboxing program is 'third-party' software that '[facilitates] acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. '
…except that multiboxing does not do any of that, which is why it's allowed.

PotatoOverdose wrote:
Basically, it comes down to this: one form of automations (botting) is considered against the EULA while another form of automation (isboxer) is not.

No. It comes down to this: automation of input is not allowed; replication of input is. They are very different beasts.
Solecist Project
#35 - 2014-05-02 11:32:06 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Evelyn Meiyi wrote:
Actually...under a strict reading of the EULA, a multiboxing program is 'third-party' software that '[facilitates] acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. '
…except that multiboxing does not do any of that, which is why it's allowed.

PotatoOverdose wrote:
Basically, it comes down to this: one form of automations (botting) is considered against the EULA while another form of automation (isboxer) is not.

No. It comes down to this: automation of input is not allowed; replication of input is. They are very different beasts.

Redundant post is redundant.

Why are you trolling?

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#36 - 2014-05-02 11:39:41 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:

Redundant post is redundant.

Why are you trolling?

Because I have educational illustrations, of course.
Solecist Project
#37 - 2014-05-02 12:00:43 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:

Redundant post is redundant.

Why are you trolling?

Because I have educational illustrations, of course.

So you admit you're trolling? :D

Btw... most sentences you write start pretty much the same way.
... except that; You do realize...;

I'm mobile now so going through your post history is too much hassle right now.

The fun part is that I am absolutely sure that you know that
these two examples above come accross as aggressive and knowitall-ish...

Right?

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Erica Dusette
Division 13
#38 - 2014-05-02 12:16:38 UTC
I am multiboxer.

Hear me rawr. Bear

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Candi LeMew
Division 13
#39 - 2014-05-02 12:20:00 UTC
Come at us bro.

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Solecist Project
#40 - 2014-05-02 12:20:57 UTC
Erica Dusette wrote:
I am multiboxer.

Hear me rawr. Bear

And here is me thinking of all these beautifull ladies...

All at once.


RAWR! XD

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