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Aracturus
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#41 - 2014-04-30 22:16:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Aracturus
Scherezad wrote:
Prechr Circuitrider wrote:
I have used these to model the development of various aspects of language as I have described earlier.


Gosh, sir! You've modeled an entire human-compatible language with automata? That's quite a feat! I'd be very interested in reading about your work, are you published in any journals? I'm sorry if this is forward, but CA is a somewhat related field to my work. What sort of a rulespace did you use in finding your automata, and what sort of search strategy did you use? Did you use genetic programming or did you use some sort of formal algorithm instead?

I'm sorry if this is off-topic to your main thread, sir, but I really am interested.

Military Experts are calling this "bullshit", scherezad.

This is now a WIDOT thread!

Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#42 - 2014-04-30 22:25:46 UTC
Aracturus wrote:
[quote=Scherezad]Military Experts are calling this "bullshit", scherezad.

Gosh, is that related to the funnel-flush trough algorithm?
Aracturus
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#43 - 2014-04-30 22:26:45 UTC
Scherezad wrote:
Aracturus wrote:
[quote=Scherezad]Military Experts are calling this "bullshit", scherezad.

Gosh, is that related to the funnel-flush trough algorithm?

Okay, I giggled.

This is now a WIDOT thread!

Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#44 - 2014-04-30 22:44:29 UTC
Op success :)
Prechr Circuitrider
Circuit Rider Ministries
#45 - 2014-05-04 02:00:34 UTC
Cassiopiae wrote:
Prechr Circuitrider wrote:
Arista Shahni wrote:
I grow more and more appreciative every day that I learned very young that the truth need not be found far away near distant stars, but is a whisper within one's own heart.

And that I've never been exposed to whatever undetected radiation must be coming off of the EVE Gate that makes so many Capsuleers see the edge of space in some quick and sweeping moment.



To be sure, Arista, we can discern some level of truth from observing ourselves in that we are all created in the image of the One who sent The Message.

But is there really truth in our hearts? What do they tell us? They tell us that we are basically good and that we can evolve to higher and higher levels until we achieve perfection. They say, "I am captain of my ship and master of my fate!"

But our hearts lie.

The Message says,
"The heart is deceitful above all things
and it is exceedingly corrupt.
Who can know it? ".

This is a stern statement. But, it is true.


Interesting. Although I have two problems with your discovery.

Firstly, as a collector of art and antiques I have some experience at being able to spot a fake. The veracity of your claim to have discovered an artefact from beyond the Eve Gate is at best dubious.

Secondly, as I am also a native of Intaki V, I find it curious how you link rebirth to spiritual transformation. Death and birth are only a transition. We are already born with an immortal soul and spiritual transcendence is achieved through enlightenment of this soul. A ‘Message’ such as the one you claim to have discovered implies a philosophy of redemption and miracles and by extension a scripture to disseminate its conviction. This is not logical. There is no sin or corruption. There is only choice. Every word we speak or deed we perform is an instrument of choice. Spiritual transcendence is achieved through reflection and meditation on those choices. It is a path of many lifetimes and not achieved through belief in miraculous illumination via a message.

This is distracting.


I'm sorry I've taken so long to respond. I think about what the various posts say and I think even more about what and how to respond. In addition, I've been busy making preparations for the first Camp Meeting. And, as always, other things come up that have to be dealt with.

At any rate...

If the cube I found is a fake, that implies that there is a real one. For example, there can be no counterfeit ISK unless there is real ISK with which to compare it. Where is the real cube? Let's study it and then compare the two.

To be sure, it took awhile to be able to look beyond my Intaki spiritual training.

A foundational premise that this universe, this "Great Box" in which we live, is all that exists is not true. The Message shows that there is a Sender. We would have no knowledge of Him unless he injected information about Himself into the universe. He does this through what He has made but there is little detail there. He reveals truth about Himself, about us, and about His plans. We would never know otherwise. Therefore, it is imminently logical.

The Truth - and I say this gently, as well - is distracting, and rightly so.
Prechr Circuitrider
Circuit Rider Ministries
#46 - 2014-05-04 02:05:57 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Saya Ishikari wrote:
Prechr Circuitrider wrote:
Foley Aberas Jones wrote:
Pics or it didn't happen


Foley, please check these out.
CubeSatPics


There is a pretty large discrepancy of scale in these images... It's easily tens of meters across compared to your cruiser, yet the size of a coffee mug as shown in your quarters. As well as the images of the floating object being identical from two different angles of view. If there is an explanation, I'm open to it... Preferably, I'd rather see the object itself under controlled conditions.

He just has a really small ship.


Actually, the drone taking the video was very close to the cube and so made it appear out of proportion with respect to my ship. Sorry about that. I'll try and make better photographic arrangements in the future.
Prechr Circuitrider
Circuit Rider Ministries
#47 - 2014-05-04 02:41:33 UTC
Aracturus wrote:
Saya Ishikari wrote:
Prechr Circuitrider wrote:
Foley Aberas Jones wrote:
Pics or it didn't happen


Foley, please check these out.
CubeSatPics


There is a pretty large discrepancy of scale in these images... It's easily tens of meters across compared to your cruiser, yet the size of a coffee mug as shown in your quarters. As well as the images of the floating object being identical from two different angles of view. If there is an explanation, I'm open to it... Preferably, I'd rather see the object itself under controlled conditions.



WHO CARES ABOUT THAT I WANT MY COOL ROBES DAMNIT



Your repeated request reminds me of the Parable of the Persistent Widow from The Message. The parable teaches persistence in prayer. Day after day, the widow brought her case to the judge demanding justice. The judge feared no one. But because he was worn down by her persistent pleadings, he gave her what she asked.

With the same reaction as the judge :) , I searched the Noble Exchange for robes. Unfortunately, I found none.

I have another idea. Why don't you let the Message Sender "wrap you with a robe of righteousness"?
It is light-filled and will last for all eternity.
Saya Ishikari
Ishukone-Raata Technological Research Institute
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#48 - 2014-05-04 03:53:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Saya Ishikari
Prechr Circuitrider wrote:
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Saya Ishikari wrote:
Prechr Circuitrider wrote:
Foley Aberas Jones wrote:
Pics or it didn't happen


Foley, please check these out.
CubeSatPics


There is a pretty large discrepancy of scale in these images... It's easily tens of meters across compared to your cruiser, yet the size of a coffee mug as shown in your quarters. As well as the images of the floating object being identical from two different angles of view. If there is an explanation, I'm open to it... Preferably, I'd rather see the object itself under controlled conditions.

He just has a really small ship.


Actually, the drone taking the video was very close to the cube and so made it appear out of proportion with respect to my ship. Sorry about that. I'll try and make better photographic arrangements in the future.

It might be a thought... I was more distracted by the shading and angle of the object, which was consistent despite changing the drones position. But, I'll withhold any further skepticism until you've had your fair chance at making whatever presentation you will.

"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117

Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#49 - 2014-05-04 06:50:04 UTC
Prechr Circuitrider wrote:


If the cube I found is a fake, that implies that there is a real one. For example, there can be no counterfeit ISK unless there is real ISK with which to compare it. Where is the real cube? Let's study it and then compare the two.


I am God. If you disbelieve this, bring the real God here and let's compare us.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Agiri Falken
Akagi Initiative
#50 - 2014-05-04 07:46:44 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Prechr Circuitrider wrote:


If the cube I found is a fake, that implies that there is a real one. For example, there can be no counterfeit ISK unless there is real ISK with which to compare it. Where is the real cube? Let's study it and then compare the two.


I am God. If you disbelieve this, bring the real God here and let's compare us.

I've got some... *flicks on a Nova knife and smiles evily in the sickly blue light of the blade* Questions... About life, and how late you've been in unf****** i-...

Well, damn, it's just you... Fake God, as opposed to Real God. *pouts* I'll just go play with my grenades... P
Prechr Circuitrider
Circuit Rider Ministries
#51 - 2014-05-07 13:04:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Prechr Circuitrider
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Prechr Circuitrider wrote:


If the cube I found is a fake, that implies that there is a real one. For example, there can be no counterfeit ISK unless there is real ISK with which to compare it. Where is the real cube? Let's study it and then compare the two.


I am God. If you disbelieve this, bring the real God here and let's compare us.



When I said "where is the real cube", I had in my mind that we could also study evidence for it as well if it's not under our control to acquire one. You're right to call me on this. But, truly, in my mind, I meant that we should include historical records and so forth as well for comparison.

It doesn't make much sense for an archaeologist to discount compelling evidences about the existence of an artifact because the actual artifact is not available. Sifting through information of all kinds to piece together an accurate
picture of the past is what we do.

But onward.

Let's do compare the real God and you (and me for that matter).

Let's examine the evidences for the existence of the real God. Let's compare His characteristics and abilities with yours, mine, and any of us to understand that He is "the only true God. There is no other".

There are two sources I know of: (1) the universe itself. (2) information that God inserts into the universe to reveal Himself.

The existence of the universe implies that something brought it into existence. However, it could be that the universe is self-existent and therefore eternal, but our science suggests that the universe had a beginning. If the universe had a beginning, it's not eternally self-existent. And if there were no Creator, then there was simply nothing - not anything, null, void. And no thing of any kind can come from nothing.

In addition, the grandeur, complexity, myriad components and processes, and the marvelous, breath-taking scope of the universe from the near infinite to the infinitesimal bespeak tremendous power, creativity, artistry, and orderliness on the part of the Creator.

But these are general characteristics.

To know specific facts about the Creator, the Creator Himself must reveal them. He must inject, insert, reveal information about Himself because we can't transcend the universe on our own to get this information for ourselves.

That's part of the purpose of The Message.

Here's a chart comparing some of the general and specific characteristics and abilities of the Creator and you, Claudia, and any of the rest of us. Please fill in your part of the chart.


General Characteristics/Abilities The True God Claudia/et. al.
Has universe-creating power. √
Has universe-creating intelligence. √
Demonstrates glorious artistry. √
Engineers precisely. √
Implements efficiently. √
Enjoys rich variation. √


Specific, Revealed Characteristics/Abilities The True God Claudia/et. al.
Speak things that are not into existence. ("Let there be..."). √
Has all knowledge. √
Has all wisdom. √
Is the source of wisdom. √
Has all power. √
Constant. √
Faithful. √
Good. √
Loves forever. √
Compassionate and gracious. √
Sovereign. (All things under His control). √
Rules with righteousness and justice. √
Brings rulers into power and deposes them. √
Has a good plan for all creation. √
Loves so greatly that He gave √
His "Precious" to save
wicked, rebellious humanity
from his just wrath.


But there is one more source of information sent into the world telling what God is like. This is the central theme of The Message. The One who is both God and man. The Word was made into a human being full of grace and truth.

If we see what He is like, then we know what God is like.

The God-man came to testify to the truth. He came to take away our sins and to give us life to the full. He is the "radiance of God and the exact representation of His being."

He went about preaching, teaching, and healing. He learned obedience through suffering. He is the author and perfecter of faith in Him.

These evidences and his work in my own soul cause me to believe that this God is God. Therefore, and I say this gently, Claudia, you are not God unless you can do these same things and you have these same abilities. (And neither am I.)

I hope you will attend the Camp Meetings. I'll be preaching about the God-man - who he is, why he came, and how he wants us to respond.


(Oops. The formatting for the chart is lost. Sorry.)
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#52 - 2014-05-07 15:31:22 UTC
Prechr Circuitrider wrote:
Please fill in your part of the chart.


General Characteristics/Abilities The True God Claudia/et. al.
Has universe-creating power. √
Has universe-creating intelligence. √
Demonstrates glorious artistry. √
Engineers precisely. √
Implements efficiently. √
Enjoys rich variation. √


Specific, Revealed Characteristics/Abilities The True God Claudia/et. al.
Speak things that are not into existence. ("Let there be..."). √
Has all knowledge. √
Has all wisdom. √
Is the source of wisdom. √
Has all power. √
Constant. √
Faithful. √
Good. √
Loves forever. √
Compassionate and gracious. √
Sovereign. (All things under His control). √
Rules with righteousness and justice. √
Brings rulers into power and deposes them. √
Has a good plan for all creation. √
Loves so greatly that He gave √
His "Precious" to save
wicked, rebellious humanity
from his just wrath.



^ All that and more. The great Goddess, Claudia, forgives you for your doubts in advance.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Cassiopiae
#53 - 2014-05-09 10:07:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Cassiopiae
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Prechr Circuitrider
Circuit Rider Ministries
#54 - 2014-06-28 21:25:45 UTC
Cassiopiae wrote:
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I have a confession to make. In fact, several.

First, I am grossly late in responding. I had good intentions of responding in a timely way after taking so
long the time before. But I didn't. Some of the reasons are the same. However, your post was much deeper this
time and it took me longer to "process".

I also confess that I still find myself drawn more to the solitude of archaeological research than to social interaction in a forum. At least I'm better about this than I used to be because the "Prime Truth" posts are my first forum posts.

And finally, I confess to a degree of "arachnophobia" and so, procrastinated as I processed that part of your post as well.

At any rate, please forgive me.

Your description of apparent memories from former lives is vibrant and your prose approaches poetry. Your writing makes one want to have these experiences, too.

Your experience of solitude on "Red Intaki" is certainly attactive to one preferring solitude.


However, I must interject more distracting truth. These thoughts and feelings must arise from a source other than memory. I say this because scripture says, "Inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once, and after this, judgment,..." (Hebrews 9:27a, TNEB). The judgment mentioned here is the final judgment and so, there are no past lives
to remember.

Regarding the need, the desire to feed to recreate yourself, I recommend the "manna from heaven".
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#55 - 2014-07-01 22:16:27 UTC
Prechr Circuitrider wrote:
Regarding the need, the desire to feed to recreate yourself, I recommend the "manna from heaven".

I recommend cheesecake.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Prechr Circuitrider
Circuit Rider Ministries
#56 - 2014-07-03 00:56:13 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Prechr Circuitrider wrote:
Regarding the need, the desire to feed to recreate yourself, I recommend the "manna from heaven".

I recommend cheesecake.


No, really. Manna is better. Smile
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#57 - 2014-07-03 03:26:49 UTC
Prechr Circuitrider wrote:
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Prechr Circuitrider wrote:
Regarding the need, the desire to feed to recreate yourself, I recommend the "manna from heaven".

I recommend cheesecake.


No, really. Manna is better. Smile

As God, I say cheesecake. Don't argue with God.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Solecist Project
#58 - 2014-07-03 14:32:17 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Prechr Circuitrider wrote:
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Prechr Circuitrider wrote:
Regarding the need, the desire to feed to recreate yourself, I recommend the "manna from heaven".

I recommend cheesecake.


No, really. Manna is better. Smile

As God, I say cheesecake. Don't argue with God.

Hail Claudia!

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#59 - 2014-07-05 09:43:42 UTC
Prechr Circuitrider wrote:
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Prechr Circuitrider wrote:
Regarding the need, the desire to feed to recreate yourself, I recommend the "manna from heaven".

I recommend cheesecake.


No, really. Manna is better. Smile

Manna?
Cheesecake?...
What are these things?

Go with Caldari Corn Paste, or go home, kakku!!

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#60 - 2014-07-06 05:29:39 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Prechr Circuitrider wrote:
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Prechr Circuitrider wrote:
Regarding the need, the desire to feed to recreate yourself, I recommend the "manna from heaven".

I recommend cheesecake.


No, really. Manna is better. Smile

Manna?
Cheesecake?...
What are these things?

Go with Caldari Corn Paste, or go home, kakku!!

You really should try the cheesecake. It's the perfect finish to that dinner of Caldari Corn Paste!

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.