Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Fozzie when you say with each other do you mean Rigs and implants will have stacking penalties across the whole benefit, or that just fitting more than one rig will mean you suffer a stacking penalty?
Trying to work out if you are trying to stop fitting rigs and implants without a penalty,Is that an issue? as it is really unclear exactly what is penalised.

My uses.
Nererus triple rigged for fast mid volume movement of goods. Wildly overpowered? Hardly. Annoying to lose what one was pleased about. Pretty much. This annoys me most!

Atron, full set of rigs.fast shuttle that can carry stuff, overpowered? Hardly. annoying to lose, Yup.

Ares, very fast shuttle that can carry a few mods from place to place or High value hs cargo. (Note not for null or ls) wildly overpowered? Hell no. Annoying Hell yes. I know only 2 rig slots, but will the penalties make a difference here?

So why? Just why? What is it that is so overpowered about them that makes them need nerfing? They are pretty weaksauce at the moment anyway.....

How about, this summer release the personal transporter class vessel, 15 AU/s, but with 95 M3 capacity? No rigs no fittings, decent cap. Basically shuttle specs. Open things up a bit.

This isn't a huge nerf, as T2 ships won't notice any different and on all others the third rig is only going to take an approximate 40% hit. What's more important is the other issue that was brought-up: that large missiles conflict with either one of the WS or the Ascendancy Omega implants.

It's not the nerf we deserve nor the one we need right now.

Disagree, absolutely absurd.

On top of after the warp speed change, the ship above frigate took a significant hit in terms of warp speed already. If you nerf
the warp speed rig it will be triple nerfing whoever that uses it.

The penalty for using warpspeed rig is reduced CPU capacity, plus your tank is ****. What more do you need to peanlize a ship for using it?

Many would say you dont use a ship with warp speed rig to pvp, but thats them. I pvp with warpspeed rig to help increase the chance of catching my prey with my recon.

I really am not getting this at all, you have rigs with possibly the nastiest drawback going. Seriously CPU drawback for warp speed rigs?
I wonder if while Fozzie is tidying things up he might give an astrometric rig an astrometric drawback instead?

So the Uses for it really make it unsuitable on a combat ship anyway, unless you want to use it for something else like fast travel. A Fast shuttle alternative, or a fast Ti industrial. i don't see a problem there, or am I missing something?

There must be some reason, I imagine. I cannot imagine capitals with rigs and implants outracing Interceptors, so there must be something. It is not that it is such a big thing in the overall scheme of things, but it is not as if it is so horribly overpowered that it desperately needed a change?

Maybe they are bringing out low slot warp mods and it is to keep the overall system in balance. That would be a nice thing to have the choice to fit.

Oh well I guess we will see. Here's hoping.

Well I'll add another vote to the "not too happy" pile about nerfing the warp speed rigs. In all honesty the EVE universe is huge, and if you have to move an item 30 jumps, they're useful as they are. Is there a reason that they are a problem or unbalanced, or are they just being nerfed for the lulz?

While you're adding stacking penalties to warp speed things... any chance the WS-6xx implants could be stacking penalized with the Ascendancy implants? Part of what makes the WS-6xx so powerful compared to the Omegas Is that their bonus has no stacking penalty.

I know that would be a somewhat radical change for implants, but if using Ascendancy and WS-6xx together penalized the lower ws% of the two with the 86.9% penalty, it would open up the appeal of the Ascendancy Omegas. It would also leave the WS-6xx line untouched for anyone using it standalone with non-Ascendancy in slots 1-5.

(i.e. the total combined bonus from the Ascendancy set would be considered one ws% bonus, and the bonus from the WS-6xx would be considered a second ws% bonus, and the normal 2-stack penalty rules applied to those two bonuses... bonii?)

Shush, don't tell more people about them.

I'll reiterate what I suggested earlier… A low-slot passive module that increases warp speed and decreases warp capacitor use. Call it a "Warp Speed Enhancer" that provides a +20% warp speed bonus and -10% warp drive capacitor reduction (stacking penalized, of course). The idea being is that this module could be combined with a mobile depot for a "travel fit". Then the proposed changes to hyperspacial rigs can be somewhat offset. As a low-slot module, this would be most beneficial to larger vessels like cruisers, battlecruisers and battleships.

Sure, I just used the term so there would be some frame of reference. As a passive module, something like "Warp Drive Injector" or "Warp Core Injector" might be better than ancillary (which implies an active module that utilizes capacitor and a consumable).