Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Hello space friends,

Since CCP is in the process of rebalancing/fixing existing ships, I think freighters and JFs should get a serious look (especially with the big focus being on industry in the next expansion).

I believe freighters and shuttles are the only ships in Eve which cannot be fitted with modules, etc. Shuttles are what they are - cheap ships to move around quickly with - so who cares because you get what you pay for. Freighters (and JFs), however, are expensive capital-size ships that provide pretty much the only really effective way of moving large volumes of cargo around Eve. It just makes sense to me that they could be "customized" to suit the specific task the pilot has in mind for them.

Rather than allowing for the fitting modules like other ships, however,I suggest having a group of interchangeable "subsystems" or "configurations" (whatever you want to call it, really) that a pilot can choose from. This approach provides a more discrete set of options that are easier to balance as a result. Some possible choices could include:

1) A configuration that maximizes tank at the expense of travel time and cargo capacity.
2) A configuration that maximizes travel speed/agility at the expense of tank (while maintaining average cargo capacity)
3) A configuration that maximizes cargo capacity at the expense of travel speed and tank.
4) A configuration that allows for a "ship maintenance bay" - much like what carriers have - that facilitates transportation of fitted/assembled ships, but reduces standard cargo space drastically (tank and travel speed would be at average levels).

I'm sure there are many other possible options, but I think I've made my point. Feedback is welcome (preferably of the constructive variety)! Hopefully CCP reads these things because I'd definitely like to see something like this happen.

Those don't really sound like fixes - band-aids is more appropriate, I think. Even then they are not really true.

The characteristic trade-offs I'm envisioning are far more drastic than the racial differences you are referring to.

Thank you for the opportunity to clarify my idea.

From my earlier post:

"The characteristic trade-offs I'm envisioning are far more drastic than the racial differences you are referring to."

So your statement - "simply using a different freighter offers exactly what you're asking for" - just isn't true.

As for the Orca comment - you are correct. The Orca is quite versatile. But therein lies the point - why do we have to go to an Orca (which is most commonly used as a mining support ship) to do the job a freighter should be able to do better? Also, buying a different freighter for each of the above mentioned circumstances (not to mention training for them) just seems ridiculous when you could just swap a subsystem/configuration.

This post isn't about "fixing a problem" I have. It's about improving a current class of ships. Suggesting that one simply "flies a different ship" is completely missing the point...

I don't understand what has you so brain-addled about this.

First: I said a freighter should be "better" at hauling stuff than an Orca - that doesn't mean it aligns faster or necessarily tanks better. Nice straw-man.

Second: The intended role of a freighter is to haul freight - if you can't understand the distinction between this and what you said, I can't help you.

Third: Why are you so hung up on "fixes"? I said improvement...and what I am suggesting isn't even that massively complicated. It's an idea - I wasn't making any claims to its priority. Obviously there are more important things to "fix" - but then again this isn't a fix, it's a suggested improvement. I don't think I can spell that out any more clearly. Please take the time to actually understand my post and its purpose before you respond with irrelevant commentary.

Ask yourself this question: If freighters and jump freighters had interchangeable subsystems/configurations that altered their performance characteristics as I suggested, would that be an improvement to the ship class and/or Eve or not? If yes, cool - if no, tell me why (i.e. constructive feedback).

If you can't do that, then the only thing not worth the time was this discussion with you. I'm all ears for constructive feedback on the merits of the idea, but telling me to "fly a different ship" or dismissing the idea because there are more important things to fix is just a waste of text and - again - missing the point.

i'm not, you're the one that can't grasp that what you're asking for is already in the game.

Haha - you obviously don't even understand what I'm asking for because this is the second time you've misrepresented it (even AFTER I corrected you). I can't really have a meaningful discussion with someone who has poor reading comprehension (or at least doesn't even take the time to read and understand other people's posts).

How about you answer the question I posed to you in my last post? I think that would lead to a more productive discussion.

No it's not. Refer (once again) to my clarification of what I'm asking for.



Irrelevant. You do understand written English, right?



LOL lazy? How in the world do these suggestions make me lazy? Also, irrelevant.



Finally, a response on the merit of my idea (sort of, but I'll take it) - glad we're here at long last!

I envisioned that each freighter would retain its own set of unique base stats that are at least somewhat tied to the race from which the freighter originates (something similar to the current diversity among freighters). The sub/configurations would alter the base stats by a fixed percentage that would be equal across all freighters. In other words, a Fenrir with a travel speed config would still be slightly "faster" than a charon with the travel speed config.

This would maintain the differences among the racial freighters (and thereby justify their existence), but still give freighter pilots the ability to customize their configuration based on the nature of their haul.

So, for these reasons, the freighters won't be redundant.

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Simple method to allow freighters fittings without allowing them to carry capitals.
Freighters get a 500k 'Special' hold with no restrictions. Then a cargo bay hold equivalent to the rest of their normal cargo. Now they can't carry a Capital even if they go over the 1 million mark. Because it's split into two holds.

No.

Other areas of the game need work. the only thing I see most of these suggested changes achieving is making pilots travel less times between point A and B.

To cut down the amount of trips simply get fiends who can freight and start up a convoy.

Friends help a lot in this game.

Leave the space trucks as they are.