EVE General Discussion

And now I'm gonna tell you the funniest thing of all...

The Stellar Souncil is supposed to represent the players, but due to its own nature and mechanics, it only represents nullsec alliances.

Starting with an alliance whose goal is to spoil every MMORPG they put their claws on, and whose visible head is head of the SC.

I really wonder who is in charge of customer satisfaction in CCP...

Consider using actual money to play the game.

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I too am sorry to see you go but if the game isn't fun for you then there's no point playing. However, it's only been a couple of days since the release. I'd highly recommend that you stick around for a couple of weeks to see if it grows on you.

In any case, good luck for the future.

I cant see why anyone would 'admire' some poor bloke pick axing away at a rock to then press a few buttons to make a sword or whatever.

I would (and do) admire those who do manufacturing and resource extraction in an environment where there is a risk of failure. Separating EVE into 2 distinct spheres of invulnerable PVE and vulnerable PVP then you may as well make two separate games - the true value of resource collection, manufacture and trade is that it is a competitive process with inherent risk.

C.

Sorry for making your boring, monotonous activites a little bit lively and exciting.

Wait, no.

Go away.

Sorry, this just doesn't happen in EVE.

If you look at the market sell prices and then see that the way those goods are produced takes more ISK than what the end product is being sold for (ten times over, if the "taxes exceed market value" is true), you could then multiple your ISK reserves by buying every single unit off the market that is being sold at a loss, holding them for a few days and then selling them again.

Market prices follow gameplay changes with a lag. If you are smart and capable of doing math, you can predict upcoming market prices and absolutely bathe in ISK as the change happens.

This patch has been simply epic because so many people keep selling stuff "at the market price" without ever checking what the cost for the product is, allowing anyone with a spreadsheet software (thank you google docs for a free one) to make so much ISK that it is just ridiculous.

Why are you not doing the same if you understand that the "market price" is too low?

Also if you are crying that others will be doing PI at 0% tax, that is irrelevant. The vast majority of PI is done in highsec. The vast majority of your competition is paying the same tax. The prices will be set at this level as there is nowhere near enough supply at "0% tax" price level. Yes, those who can do PI under lower tax regime (by investing in personal POCO in non-highsec) will profit more, but that doesn't change the fact that your (highsec) profit level is what sets the price. Period. You make money. POCO owner makes bit more money. POS runner/T2 builder pays the extra money to you and the module/ship buyer pays the extra money to the POS runner/T2 builder. ISK goes around, nobody sells at a loss and nobody has to quit because of "unprofitable market prices".

Edit: FREE TIP FOR EVERYONE WHO HAS BEEN DOING PI:

The POCO/Tax change will greatly increase the market price of PI goods. All of them. If you currently have any stock, selling them below cost is silly as the "market price" will rapidly readjust. Once the new equilibrium is found, you will be making exact same ISKies as before. Potentially more, as bunch of math-deficient crybabies give up on PI, cutting down supply while the demand is not going anywhere. If anything, this is great news for PI as it allows PI producers to squeeze more ISK out of T2 producers, POS runners and Starbase equipment builders.

TAXES ON PRODUCTION ARE IRRELEVANT - YOU JUST HAVE TO SHIFT THE TAXES TO THE BUYER OF YOUR PRODUCT

In the end, the purchaser of a module or a ship is then one who pays the tax and at that point it is a fraction of the final sell price of the module/ship so it becomes irrelevant.

n.b. @OP:

Do you feel suitably stupid yet? You realize you dedicated your gameplay to "industry" but the "PVPers" have pwned you at your own game?

I've heard good things about Vanguard but I 've also heard that it was coded bad and minimum requirements are through the roof.
While I can't provide empathy from a PI point of view I can respect how your niche in a niche game of niche ships got nerfed to extinction and you now feel obselete. Have fun in Vanguard.

Yep damn those risk advers carebears i hate them, now im going to fly my drake/Drameil/insert ship here and shoot at industrials with five of my corp mates or hunt shoot three month old characters in tech 1 ships.
Damn those risk adverse carebears, im going to suicide gank an unarmed miner in a cheap ship where i cant be podded.
Damn those risk adverse carebears and all thier isk i cant make any money on anything other than my incursion alt.
I hate all these small risk adverse carebear corps, if someone wants to join my 100 man wardecing corp i demand thier limited api.
Damn them and their level 4 mission running that lines my pockets as i ninja them.
Gods i hate them becasue of inflation and i have to pay my money to play a awsome game with my main, my scam alt, my suicide gank alt, my capital alt and my spy alt.
Damn all carebeares to heck, oh theres a carebear with tears lets mock them as this make me feel like a grown up.
I cant pvp that small corp with my 100 man corp casue they dropped alliance, damn them for being risk adverse!

You do realise that all of this is tears don't you, the concept tha people who are risk adverse is stupid. I might add, how risk adverse is a gate camp?

And befor you get all sniffy and tell me you have elite skillzz and stuff i engage in at least one of the above activities and am just as guilty, i'm just not a hypocryte.

OP, can i have you stuff?

That is a very bold statement. Why can't you simply say it is no longer fun for you? I don't want to be dragged into your "my favourite MMO dumped me so it's a ****" meme, thank you.