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Looking for help running a mining corp
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Oska Rus
Free Ice Cream People
#21 - 2014-04-28 09:39:38 UTC
If you plan to stay in hi-sec having player corp puts you in severe disadvantage for several reasons.

1) you are wardeccable
some crazy HS pvp cor can wardec you and ruin your day for meager amount of isk
2) you are corp theftable
sooner or later some dude will join you and leave with all your corp wallet, stuff and shoot all your miners
3) you are awoxable
corp members can shoot freely other corp members

Best hi-sec mining corp is held by out of game means as a part of NPC ingame corp. In NPC corp none of the vulnerabilities I stated apply to you.

On the other hand mining in eve is the least profitable thing if not done by bots. So if you mine for money and not just because your idea of fun is to chat while watching mining lasers rolling do some research about more profitable ways of making isk in eve. (trading, missions, incursions, wormholes, FW... are all within the reach of small corps)
Soylent Jade
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2014-04-28 13:26:38 UTC
20% is definitely too steep. What are you offering miners to join your corp that they'd pay a 20% tax? Orca boosts? Ship replacement? Anything? NPC corp tax rate is 11%, and people are safe from war decs, AWOXers, and other surprises in NPC corp. TBH people would be better off in NPC corp than joining yours.

Making hisec better...one Catalyst at a time

minerbumping.com
Raynor Oskold
Black Powder Ballistics
Hole Control
#23 - 2014-04-28 17:10:19 UTC
Thanks for all the help, lots of good info here, unfortunately (or fortunately) we've disbanded our corp due to our total inexperience etc., we joined an established mining corp but I've since decided to leave and look for a nullsec pvp corp. 20% was a number I pulled off of some random website where someone was explaining a business model he was working with in his corp. 5 minutes of actual experience showed me that it wasn't feasible.
Tadeshi Ichikaze
NorVor Ltd.
#24 - 2014-04-28 18:00:56 UTC
Yeah, that was probably the best decision.

New people really are better off joining someone elses established corp than trying to lead one themselves. People joining a corporation expect their leadership to be familiar with the game, people they can turn to for advice. If you're new yourselves you're not going to be able to provide that type of leadership.

There is no one - right - way to play EVE ... but some things work better than others.


As to Alignment .... the only thing you get out of pointing your ship at a certain spot and then just sitting there - is an assurance that nothing is in your way when you try to warp. If you're in an asteroid belt and a rock is to close to you, in the direction you want to warp, your ship will bob back and forth for a while trying to sort out a path around the obstruction that won't let it warp. Getting your ship pointed in the direction you want to go doesn't help you warp any faster - but it doesn't hurt anything either - and does let you see if some big rock, or a jet can, or another ship, is going to block your path. Of course you can do the same thing by just looking around. The act of pointing your ship at where you intend to go assures that you have made that check. You probably don't want ot spend a lot of time on that though. Get your lasers working and then sort it out.


Aligning as a miner in a belt usually means understanding what your warp speed is, then moving your ship at a vector that will maintain that velocity, while headed towards a point that allows you to traverse the asteroid belt, mining as you go, then, as you get beyond asteroids you can mine - turning around and doing it again. You can set up "safe spots" in the system to warp to and try to get those spots set in such a way as to allow you to use them to traverse a belt. Given that most things orbit in the plane of the system that's not as hard as it might be but still not easy.

You need to develop the skill of dropping safe spots while in warp from one celestial body or saved location to another, for it's own sake if for no other, then use that skill to try and plot out where you might place saved locations so as to benefit your path through a specific asteroid belt.

Or

You can just mine missions - and keep your scanner up looking for combat scanner probes. If you're in mission space (unless this has changed) they have to scan you down to find you and the probes are a give away that they are doing that.

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#25 - 2014-04-29 01:14:28 UTC
Tadeshi Ichikaze wrote:

You can just mine missions - and keep your scanner up looking for combat scanner probes. If you're in mission space (unless this has changed) they have to scan you down to find you and the probes are a give away that they are doing that.



This has not changed.

If you do this and want to be harder to scan, adding ECCM modules to your midslots will achieve this goal due to the (silly) formula used to determine how hard you are to scan down. (The lower your Signature Radius to Sensor Strength ratio the harder you are to scan down, until you hit the limit of 0.98:1; this limit was added to prevent players from ever being impossible to scan down. ECCM modules add to the sensor strength stat.)

For each factor of 2 that your Sig Rad:Sensor Strength ratio exceeds 0.98:1, combat scanner probes can be twice as far away to be a threat. So if your ratio is 0.98:1 you are only at risk when there are 4 or more probes within 0.5 AU and can largely ignore ones further away; if it is 1.96:1 you are at risk at 1 AU, 3.92:1 at 2 AU, etc. (This also assumes perfect probing skills and Virtue implants - better to be overly careful).


In my ganking experience with the New Order, I have never known us to go to the effort of probing down 'mission miners' except when we were chasing a specific individual that had drawn significant attention to themselves. We certainly do often probe down off-grid Orcas providing fleet boosts as they are comparitively quick to scan down.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
Nikolai Lachance
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2014-04-29 04:08:16 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Nikolai Lachance wrote:
I'm curious how people "stay aligned" while mining without flying out of range of the rocks.

If you're talking about "passive" alignment, then you clearly don't understand the game mechanics. What direction your ship is facing while you are stationary is irrelevant. A stationary ship can begin accelerating in any direction at the same rate regardless of what direction the ship model appears to be facing.



You align to one celestial, then when you approach maximum range, you align to a completely different celestial on the other side of the solar system.


As a ganker, I can say that it is almost impossible for me to catch a miner that does that. Even if I have a cloaked fleet member on-grid providing an accurate warpin, you will be aligned 80-90% of the time and can instawarp when my Catalyst or Vexor appears on a 0.1 AU D-scan, and still have a fighting chance the other 10-20% of the time.

Ah yeah I could see how that would work but it is, of course, a lot of attention to pay to the game while mining. But then I know that's what you CODE fellows are all about. Don't worry, I'm not a filthy miner, so you don't have to worry about me ;)
Solai
Doughfleet
Triglavian Outlaws and Sobornost Troika
#27 - 2014-04-29 09:11:16 UTC
Raynor Oskold wrote:
Thanks for all the help, lots of good info here, unfortunately (or fortunately) we've disbanded our corp due to our total inexperience etc., we joined an established mining corp but I've since decided to leave and look for a nullsec pvp corp. 20% was a number I pulled off of some random website where someone was explaining a business model he was working with in his corp. 5 minutes of actual experience showed me that it wasn't feasible.

I want to give you props for making the right decision. You're not only improving your gameplay experience, you're also improving the experience of guys who could've potentially joined your inexperienced outfit.

Another good thing is that, as time goes on and you gain experience, if you desire a leadership role, and put in work to help your new crew, you will get into a leadership position. The demand for proactive organizers is always there, and rare in supply, once people realize what's actually involved.

Funny thing about Eve; the best way to gain power as a leader is to first follow.
WonkySplitDemon
Doomheim
#28 - 2014-04-29 09:52:55 UTC
Mining corps are a terribad idea tbh, just war dec bait not to mention the awoxers, thieves that will inevitably end up costing you.
Tadeshi Ichikaze
NorVor Ltd.
#29 - 2014-04-29 11:19:45 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:



In my ganking experience with the New Order, I have never known us to go to the effort of probing down 'mission miners' except when we were chasing a specific individual that had drawn significant attention to themselves. We certainly do often probe down off-grid Orcas providing fleet boosts as they are comparitively quick to scan down.



Yes.

As a miner you want to maintain a low profile. Don't go blabbing on local and attract attention to yourself. Especially don't bad mouth people. Don't **** people off. Be polite. Think before you speak. Don't tell people what you are doing. Just try to be a hole in space someone else would have to take an active interest in to find. Don't give anyone a reason to take an active interest in you - which includes - smart ass bios.

Mining IS a PVP activity. The gankers are the cat and the miner is the mouse. If they even notice you are there - you're going a long way towards losing. A miner the gankers never take an interest in - is winning.


There is nothing that can guarantee you immunity but there are things you can do to minimize your exposure.

Mining in a quiet system is a primary consideration. The fewer the people operating in a system the lower your chances of being attacked. Looking in local is one thing you can do but you can also use the Star Map with the filters set to show Pilots in Space or Ships Destroyed as an indicator how quiet a system is.

Situational Awareness - including understanding what your situation is and how it is changing with respect to your vulnerability - will help avoid unpleasant events. There are things that it is safer to do under some circumstances that it would be foolish to do under others.

Some questions to ask yourself: Where am I? What am I doing? How many people are here? How fast can I react to a threat? How strong is my tank vs. a likely attacker? How fast will Concord react - if at all? What is going to happen if I lose this ship?
Willmahh
#30 - 2014-04-29 15:42:50 UTC
Nikolai Lachance wrote:
I'm curious how people "stay aligned" while mining without flying out of range of the rocks.

If you're talking about "passive" alignment, then you clearly don't understand the game mechanics. What direction your ship is facing while you are stationary is irrelevant. A stationary ship can begin accelerating in any direction at the same rate regardless of what direction the ship model appears to be facing.



  • start at the far end of the belt,
  • set speed to 3 m/s,
  • slowly cruise towards station.


if your mining is quick enough you can gobble up rocks as you slowly pass them and wipe a belt from one end to another - all the while aligned to a dock.
Nikolai Lachance
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2014-04-30 01:49:17 UTC
Willmahh wrote:
Nikolai Lachance wrote:
I'm curious how people "stay aligned" while mining without flying out of range of the rocks.

If you're talking about "passive" alignment, then you clearly don't understand the game mechanics. What direction your ship is facing while you are stationary is irrelevant. A stationary ship can begin accelerating in any direction at the same rate regardless of what direction the ship model appears to be facing.



  • start at the far end of the belt,
  • set speed to 3 m/s,
  • slowly cruise towards station.


if your mining is quick enough you can gobble up rocks as you slowly pass them and wipe a belt from one end to another - all the while aligned to a dock.

And you still have to get up to 75% of your max velocity to warp... I don't see how this is going to save you any time over being stationary. That first 3 m/s isn't exactly cutting your align time down any...
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