Science & Industry

Think ganking is getting a buff. With industry having to be more spread out, theres going to be more freighters running around. Freighters with lots of products headed to the trade hubs.

Still waiting on the blog about the new taxes and how they work.

You sir, are my hero. Finally somebody started putting these changes together....

You CLEARLY don't know how these Forums work...

I guess you missed the part where copy times are being massively reduced, right?

Copy BPO in station.
Dump BPC into POS.
Therefore, BPO is still safe in station.

Yes, it's a pain ... but the mfg time bonus in POS might make up for it. Also, assuming a station/system has copy/invent/me/pe slots, but no mfg slots, you'll still need a POS in that system to do your mfg.

The problem there is that many people don't *want* to move to null, deal with the politics, follow others rules etc etc. As you say we don't know yet what the impact will be and everyone interested is chomping at the bit for the rest of the blogs! A key issue though is that many people play in hisec and run industry not for the safety but because they don't have the playing time required to run in null ( and as many have said logistics is the big problem in null which means much more time required)

Losec and null should be able to run S&I but changes that also buff S&I in null alongside opening it up are effectively forcing people to choose whether to de-camp (which many can't) or become a second class industrialist through no fault of their own. If this is the case many players will have to choose whether to spend the same amount of time for less reward (in isk and game sense). or pick another game.

I see what you mean Corraidhin, but everything else being equal, more time = more ISK for just about any ISK-making activity you can do in EVE, regardless of the region you're operating in.


Consider this. If you're currently a successful highsec industrialist, your most valueable assets are, in order of importance:

1) your player skills and knowledge (difficult to acquire)

2) your indy-related SPs (long time to acquire)

3) your ISK (the less important of the three, because of PLEX)

The expansion won't take any of that away from you. More importantly, it won't give any of that 'for free' to any player that currently doesn't have it!


You may have a different take, but to me enjoying a competitive game like EVE means finding creative ways to leverage your assets to get ahead of other players. In this sense, any major change in game mechanics is a new challenge and a new opportunity to have fun 'proving' that you're better at the game than others.

I honestly don't know about null, but I'll give you the example of a profitable lowsec trading business that doesn't require much time invested.

I buy in highsec and haul in lowsec to sell. In lowsec, anybody is free to shoot me obviously.

On the other hand, I've learned to haul safely (dock/undock bookmarks for example) and I use a blockade runner which btw is also darn fast.

Furthermore, competition in lowsec is nothing like highsec, meaning I don't have to 'babysit' nor '0,01-ISK' my sell orders 10+ times a day.

At the end of the day, I make nice ISK with some risk but spending on average 30mins a day. I could spend even less time, I'd just make less ISK (due to less frequent re-stocking of sold-out orders, for example).

Granted, my main (this toon) being an active PVPer also helps me move around lowsec, but a pure indy player could learn quite quickly too.



You may be right, my take is that it all boils down to CCP's vision for the game.

Say you wanted to run a bar. You could either make it a classy bar, high prices, selected customers or a popular bar, low prices, many customers. Which is best? Hard to say, both can be profitable - or not.

Same with EVE imo. CCP could either keep making it challenging and captivating for a few gamers, or make it easier, reducing it's 'hardcore appeal', but possibly extending their customer base.

It's not easy to make the right call, let's just hope CCP will get it right for many more years to come!

Is there a source for this? Presumably some dev post buried deep into the comments threads?


Hopefully our dear Steve isn't pulling a masterful prank, or else I regret not voting higher for him.


Edit: Found it. This is a huge change. This patch will make me a rich man indeed.

Because now the algorithm isn't ******** anymore and this means research is much friendlier to people with an IQ like yours