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DeMichael Crimson

Republic University

Minmatar Republic

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#21 - 2014-04-27 18:20:45 UTC

Well, not much sympathy for the Devil here. You must of been sitting there or traveling really slow to have NPC's target and warp scram you at the gate.

NPC's are much slower on the trigger compared to actual players and most players when traveling will warp to 0 anyway. Sounds like the new AI has beat you at your own game.

Blink

DMC

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle

Bienator II

madmen of the skies

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#22 - 2014-04-27 18:28:37 UTC

i have to agree that once an incursion starts in lowsec the whole area is rather empty for the next week. Amamake had about a third of the population as the last incursion in the auga area started. Its just a pain to roam around since the NPCs don't follow normal eve fitting rules + killing them is a lot of effort while having no rewards (compared to a player driven gatecamp).

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value

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Brewlar Kuvakei Adeptio Gloriae Likes received: 338	#23 - 2014-04-27 18:36:11 UTC 9 What bugs me is that in both null and low they scram at gates yet in high sec they don't. Should probably petition that to get them to scram in high sec to as its clearly broken.

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Solecist Project Likes received: 33,643	#24 - 2014-04-27 18:39:16 UTC 2 I don't think that's unfair. Why would it be? How do you quantify unfair anyway? You know what's unfair? My face! That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Solecist Project

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#25 - 2014-04-27 18:40:06 UTC

Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:

What bugs me is that in both null and low they scram at gates yet in high sec they don't. Should probably petition that to get them to scram in high sec to as its clearly broken.

I completely agree with this.

It makes no sense that they don't.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

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Mara Pahrdi The Order of Anoyia Likes received: 1,714	#26 - 2014-04-27 18:41:16 UTC Josef Djugashvilis wrote: Mara Pahrdi wrote: TWSinc wrote: I am open to anybody's thoughts. Be them for or against this. As is I would like incursion rats not to be able to scramble at warp gates. I'd very much like them to do this in HS too... Baltec 1, is that you? I suck at Megas. But thx for , . Remove standings and insurance.


Mara Pahrdi The Order of Anoyia Likes received: 1,714	#27 - 2014-04-27 18:42:59 UTC 4 Brewlar Kuvakei wrote: What bugs me is that in both null and low they scram at gates yet in high sec they don't. Should probably petition that to get them to scram in high sec to as its clearly broken. I fully support this. +1 Remove standings and insurance.

Jenn aSide

Soul Machines

The Initiative.

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#28 - 2014-04-27 18:43:03 UTC

TWSinc wrote:

I will try to keep my words to an minimum. Forgive my poor grammar and spelling.

I think its a little unfair that incursion "rats" can scramble at warp gates.

I was in low sec. Entered a system with incursion "rats" that were spawned at the gate.

I was only trying to pass through the system. Tried to warp to the next gate at the other end of the system, and before I could warp I was scrambled by the incursion rats.

I think that is a little unfair. I was in a Flycatcher for pete's sake. Not a slow ship but not the fastest.

I am open to anybody's thoughts. Be them for or against this.

As is I would like incursion rats not to be able to scramble at warp gates.

If you are flying in low sec, you should be prepared to be scrammed at a gate, no matter if it's peopleor npcs. You not being properly prepared is not the game's fault.


Mara Pahrdi The Order of Anoyia Likes received: 1,714	#29 - 2014-04-27 18:44:58 UTC 1 Solecist Project wrote: You know what's unfair? My face! I told you not to take that yoghurt drink. That's what happens... Remove standings and insurance.

Jenn aSide

Soul Machines

The Initiative.

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#30 - 2014-04-27 18:47:12 UTC

Mara Pahrdi wrote:

Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:

What bugs me is that in both null and low they scram at gates yet in high sec they don't. Should probably petition that to get them to scram in high sec to as its clearly broken.

I fully support this. +1

I would support it to but omg the level of crying that would insue would shut down the interwebs.

I can't remember which DEV it was but I remember clearly that he said they talked extensivley about doing that (incursion rats on gates, along with other things like disabling CONCORD in incursions constellations) and decided against it when developing Incursions. Thus we have high sec incursions where CONCORD and the npc navies won't fight the people puportedly invading sovereign space but that will still shoot the crap out of a capsuleer who fires a civilian gatling gun at someone.


DeMichael Crimson Republic University Minmatar Republic Likes received: 63,182	#31 - 2014-04-27 18:49:30 UTC Solecist Project wrote: I don't think that's unfair. Why would it be? How do you quantify unfair anyway? You know what's unfair? My face! Indeed. DMC 'The Plan' \| California Eve Players \| Proposal - The Endless Battle

Marsha Mallow

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#32 - 2014-04-27 18:53:02 UTC

Solecist Project wrote:

You know what's unfair?

My face!

That lipstick Shocked

I'm reporting you to the CSM for making my eyes bleed. I feel violated.

You're indisgrace btw. You made me log in an alt to check Jita TiDi on Friday then screamed "Who are you and why are you convoing me" lol. Was a bit scary. I was a bit tipsy by that point and hynotised by local so went to bed.

My neocom was fine btw :P

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day

Mara Pahrdi

The Order of Anoyia

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#33 - 2014-04-27 18:54:57 UTC | Edited by: Mara Pahrdi

Jenn aSide wrote:

I would support it to but omg the level of crying that would insue would shut down the interwebs.

I guess there would be some kind of distress, yes Blink

Jenn aSide wrote:

I can't remember which DEV it was but I remember clearly that he said they talked extensivley about doing that (incursion rats on gates, along with other things like disabling CONCORD in incursions constellations) and decided against it when developing Incursions. Thus we have high sec incursions where CONCORD and the npc navies won't fight the people puportedly invading sovereign space but that will still shoot the crap out of a capsuleer who fires a civilian gatling gun at someone.

Back in 2010, when all that started and people didn't know how to handle incursions, I would agree.

But they are just being farmed in 2014 and deserve some iteration.

Remove standings and insurance.

Erufen Rito

The Dark Space Initiative

Scary Wormhole People

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#34 - 2014-04-27 18:56:59 UTC

*snif* naw brah, this game is too hard mang *snif* scramblers too stronk, ignorance very high *snif snif* I can't do this mang. I've got to have my quick action dodges and rolls else this game sucks like EA mang. No moar rats mang, please brah. I can't do this anymore brah.

This is as nice as I get. Best quote ever https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4137165#post4137165

Jenn aSide

Soul Machines

The Initiative.

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#35 - 2014-04-27 18:57:08 UTC | Edited by: Jenn aSide

DeMichael Crimson wrote:

DMC

This is not true, Incursion NPCs on a gate can isnsta-scram (no difference whether low or null). It's like flying through a player gate camp where they are remote sensor boosting somone. Incursion rats are the reason I fit a couple warp core stabs to mu nullfied travel fit Tech3s when i need to pass through, I've had 2 instances of being scrammed by rats coming out of gate-cloak even though I wasn't slow to engage my ship's covert cloak.

To date I have yet to have that happen when passing though a 'real person' gate camp in a covert.

Solecist Project

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#36 - 2014-04-27 18:58:46 UTC

Glad we all agree on something.

I'll spread a few more posts around and change it tomorrow ...

There's a cup of hot peppermint tea right next to me ... <3

And who is the first to make a thread in F&I about rats scrambling in HS?


Mara Pahrdi The Order of Anoyia Likes received: 1,714	#37 - 2014-04-27 19:02:01 UTC Solecist Project wrote: There's a cup of hot peppermint tea right next to me ... <3 This sounds promising. And like a good idea. I'm off going to make me some too . Remove standings and insurance.

Khanh'rhh

Sparkle Motion.

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#38 - 2014-04-27 19:10:08 UTC

DeMichael Crimson wrote:

DMC

Incursion rats actually have a super-fast lock time. Frigates and interceptors get through fine, anything else needs to be warping cloaked or doing the MWD trick.

As someone posted above, they are meant to be highly disruptive. The only reason there is no highsec equivalent to this is because the tears would put Iceland under water.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

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James Amril-Kesh Viziam Amarr Empire Likes received: 11,532	#39 - 2014-04-27 19:51:06 UTC \| Edited by: James Amril-Kesh PVP should be able to interfere with PVE, but it really shouldn't work the other way around. CCP feels differently. Enjoying the rain today? ;)