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first pvp experience was such a blunder
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lord pixxie
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-04-24 14:34:28 UTC
so here i am flying to low sec in my 50 dps incursus fit. heart racing for my first newbie kill. i jump through the gate into low sec system of 0.4. i see a random person at the gate. i lock target fire,scramble and web. suddenly i go pop. i was confuzzled as to why until i then realise there was a big shiny sentry gun at gate and thats when it hit me. i have much to learn...
Herzyr
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2014-04-24 14:38:26 UTC
My first loss was this way as well.
I engaged a AFK idiot in a gate but I got popped by the gate guns.

As if getting popped by a gate gun wasn't embarrassing enough, I think he got a kill right off me as well.

Talk about about applying fire to the wound harhar.
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#3 - 2014-04-24 14:40:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Inxentas Ultramar
...but what you learned what pretty darn important! Lol Just FYI, even after 3 years I'm likely to make a same-ish mistake. Send a fleetmate to his death yesterday by letting him take sentry gun aggro for too long. The learning process is never complete! At least you had the balls to try, this is a good quality in Eve.
Jur Tissant
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2014-04-24 15:03:31 UTC
I made that mistake too. I was hunting in a gang and there was a target playing cat-and-mouse with us. He jumped into the system, I figured he was about to engage and ran up to tackle. My poor Rifter didn't know what hit it.
Forum Clone 77777
Doomheim
#5 - 2014-04-24 15:05:57 UTC
Dont worry, now youl know better for your 2nd attempt, gogo!
Ovv Topik
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2014-04-24 15:21:13 UTC
lord pixxie wrote:
so here i am flying to low sec in my 50 dps incursus fit. heart racing for my first newbie kill. i jump through the gate into low sec system of 0.4. i see a random person at the gate. i lock target fire,scramble and web. suddenly i go pop. i was confuzzled as to why until i then realise there was a big shiny sentry gun at gate and thats when it hit me. i have much to learn...

+1 for coming to low looking for pew in the first place!

So a few steps to make your next visit last a bit longer.

1. Learn to make a safe spot in each system.

2. Learn to use Dscan. Warp to your safe, and practice.

3. Dscan FW Novice Plexes, as these will only have other T1 Frigs in them, and will be your best place to find a fight you can learn something from.

Rinse / repeat.

o7

"Nicknack, I'm in a shoe in space, on my computer, in my house, with a cup of coffee, in't that something." - Fly Safe PopPaddi. o7

Doctor Knuckles
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2014-04-24 15:36:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Doctor Knuckles
props for coming to low looking for fights man!

But, to be honest, in a 50 dps incursus you have no chance at all, pretty much. I disagree with who says "you're gonna learn someting anyway", you're not gonna learn a thing if you are so grossly outmatched you're gonna go blap no matter what you do, even against a fit that in theory would be a suitable target for your ship

So, in order for your second attempt to be more succesful, get a proper fit, proper skills (nowhere near all V eh), learn the security system (basically around stations or gates you can attack safely only criminals, flashies, andwar targets), un f**k your overview.


If you like the incursus, a nice fit for low sec involves (sorry i don't have eft here so can't provide the usual format and im gonna go from memory). It's pretty straight forward, sit inside a plex if you're in FW space, engage target, set keep at range at 7.5 KM, shoot, OH AB if necessary.
LOWS
Damage control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Small Ancillry armor repper
Adaptive nano plating II
MIDS
Ab II
x5 enervator
j5b scrambler
HIGHS
150 mm Rails II loaded with cal/fed navy antimatter
RIGS
if i remember correctly you're gonna need a processor overclocking unit, rest of rigs can be a choice between burst areator, anti explosive pump, auxiliary nano pump

You can meta it down and still have reasonable performance, even with pretty low skills (i'm talking even nothing at V eh) this fit will easily give you around 100 dps or close to with a nice tank


Don't give up and GL on your next attempts!
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#8 - 2014-04-24 16:11:34 UTC
I always die when I pvp as well.
it happens, don't worry about it.

do a little more skill training
L4's in the key areas will do

check the different overview setting options
info like speed, transversal can sometimes be a help in determining what to shoot at
add a 2nd overview tab specifically for pvp with no gates or stations displayed, just player ships
add a 3rd overview tab with just stations, gates & planets showing .. call it the "Sir Robin" tab
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#9 - 2014-04-24 17:31:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Iria Ahrens
lord pixxie wrote:
so here i am flying to low sec in my 50 dps incursus fit. heart racing for my first newbie kill. i jump through the gate into low sec system of 0.4. i see a random person at the gate. i lock target fire,scramble and web. suddenly i go pop. i was confuzzled as to why until i then realise there was a big shiny sentry gun at gate and thats when it hit me. i have much to learn...


I couldn't help but laugh, this is like many of my pvp experiences. Kudos for going into LS.

Contrary to what an above poster said, of course you can learn something in your incursus. People have taken out BCs in their rookie ships, so your low DPS isn't the problem, what you need to do is learn to figure out what ships you have a chance, and which ones you have no chance at all. One way to figure this out is to get in cheap ships and attack everything, another is to make a list and memorize all the different fits of the many different ships in eve. Which sounds more fun? And even if you get in over your head, you get to practice running away, which is always useful.

In general, as a newbie you won't be attacking people at the gates. If you are flying a frigate, memorize the names of ships that control full flights of drones. The reason a rookie ship took out a BC is because it had no drones.

You might even specialize in some form of EW to level the playing field against the higher SP players. Nothing is more satisfying that eliminating a 3 year advantage with a 15,000 isk module.

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Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#10 - 2014-04-24 17:53:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Vol Arm'OOO
lord pixxie wrote:
so here i am flying to low sec in my 50 dps incursus fit. heart racing for my first newbie kill. i jump through the gate into low sec system of 0.4. i see a random person at the gate. i lock target fire,scramble and web. suddenly i go pop. i was confuzzled as to why until i then realise there was a big shiny sentry gun at gate and thats when it hit me. i have much to learn...


Honestly, it isnt just noobs that things like this happen to. Back in the day I cannot tell you how many experienced folk I got concordorkiened because they resided in low/null and forgot the HS mechanics. While just the other day I almost got really screwed coming from low to hs (I was carrying about a bil in loot from a gank in a somewhat pricy ship) - I got spotted in low and jumped to high thinking i was safe not realizing I still was suspect flagged, boy was I surprised when they followed me. Fortunately I had an mwd fitted and they did not have a scram - so I could motor back to the low sec gate and get away - all in all a nail baiting near derp. Some of the biggest derps are really experienced players with titans who press jump instead of bridge (happens more often then you would think).

Derps happen. They happen to everyone. The thing about derps is that you just got to learn from them if you can and move on.

I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
Doctor Knuckles
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2014-04-24 18:10:37 UTC
Iria Ahrens wrote:
[quote=lord pixxie]

Contrary to what an above poster said, of course you can learn something in your incursus. People have taken out BCs in their rookie ships, so your low DPS isn't the problem, what you need to do is learn to figure out what ships you have a chance, and which ones you have no chance at all. .



And exactly which ships a derpfit 50 dps incursus in the hands of a newbro would have a chance against? None, except an even worse **** fit ship. Heck even just passive shield regen on some frigs might tank that.

That is exactly what i'm saying, flying a 50dps incursus won't teach you a thing, and might actually cause the pilot to make wrong assumptions, thinking he can't take on frigate X because he got blapd super fast by it and didn't put a dent in his tank, while in reality a proper fit incursus might just murder said ship.

Remember the guy's flying a frig solo (major balls), so you can't really tell him "ehi, everyone can be useful" or drop the usual "every fleet needs tackle" and "every bit of dps helps" and he could learn stuff like spiraling to a bigger target and so on.

I'm not talking out of my ass here, i'm still a half noob, still learning and plenty to learn, and the first times i ventured out in PvP i was solo, in a derp fit ship, with terribad skills. I didn't learn a thing, because i got blapped even when i did (what i now know was) the right move.

I started learning what to fight and how to fight when i started bringing out decently fitted ship, seeing where and when and what i did wrong.

If you're gonna go blap no matter what, how exactly can you understand what in particoular made you explode?
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#12 - 2014-04-24 18:36:46 UTC
Doctor Knuckles wrote:


If you're gonna go blap no matter what, how exactly can you understand what in particular made you explode?


Because you aren't gonna go blap no matter what. Sometimes you get unlucky and stumble on a good camp, but usually you can at least escape. How to survive or even win an uneven encounter is a useful skill and not giving up is something that can't be taught.

Sometimes you do have to go boom a few times before it really sinks in that encounters are generally won or lost long before the first shot is fired. Never sit still, except when cloaked. Either immediately start building that angular velocity and take control of the encounter or warp out.

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#13 - 2014-04-25 00:34:28 UTC
The best thing about learning something at the cost of your ship is you do not forget the lesson quickly.

The sentry guns will kill anything destroyer or smaller fast, and will kill cruisers inside 15 sec unless they are heavily tanked. This is true in both lowsec and highsec (in highsec, CONCORD will blap you if you survive the sentries).

Battlecruisers can tank them, but they are a bit slow for most lowsec applications.

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Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
#14 - 2014-04-25 01:44:40 UTC
How to learn PvP:

0: Buy pile of cheap frigates and modules
1: Shoot at target
2: Get blown up
3: Refit ship: REVENGE
4: Get blown up again
5: Curse at screen
6: Message target, ask why you blew up
7: Refit again
8: Find new target
9: If (Blown up) GOTO 3

10: HAHAHA I WASN'T BLOWN UP THIS IS THE BEST THING EVER
11: Forget you're flagged, get killed trying to enter station/gate or wander into trap while gloating
12: DAMN IT
13: Whatever, you still have like 15 ships left
14: NO, THEY ALL GOT BLOWN UP IN THE GOTO LOOP
15: Shrug
16: GOTO 0

(If anyone thinks I'm being down on PvP... no, PvP is awesome. Learn to enjoy the fights whether you're blown up or not.)
Keno Skir
#15 - 2014-04-25 07:10:26 UTC
You'll do fine here :) keep it up o/

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#16 - 2014-04-25 11:03:45 UTC
Oh and OP, because of your excellent attitude, I'll try to remember to contract* you a free PVP-fit Enyo. You won't be able to fly it yet but the prerequisite skills for the ship and its modules will serve as a good guide of skills you might wish to train early in your EVE career.

I hope you lose it in a ball of fire.



* - All my contract slots are filled with bad courier jobs and scams at the moment but there should be some free ones soon.

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Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#17 - 2014-04-25 12:23:26 UTC
I lost my ship a couple of weeks ago while on a lowsec roam. (Here) It was very embarrassing. I attacked an autopiloting freighter only to find myself being concorded. I had strayed into highsec...

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
Alaric Faelen
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2014-04-25 14:47:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Alaric Faelen
It happens.

I've had far worse losses since my first ship went boom.

Wait till you get an entire sniper BC fleet wiped out due to some minor mistake! That happens too.

Learn from it. Eve is still just a game, so even getting blown up ought to be fun. I get blown up almost daily. Eventually you'll forget to even rename ships, they become so disposable.

Upgrade your clone, fit up another death canoe, die in a blaze of pixelated glory. This is the Eve way. Lol


EDIT-- my very first PvP loss came at the hands of my own FC, who was terrible at Eve and killed me in a fit of nerd-rage.

Quote:
I lost my ship a couple of weeks ago while on a lowsec roam. (Here) It was very embarrassing. I attacked an autopiloting freighter only to find myself being concorded. I had strayed into highsec...


--Lost my first Stealth Bomber this way. One high sec system in my low sec roam route, and I had my D-Scan placed over the system info on the top left of the screen. The first torpedo I ever fired at another player...resulted in me being CONCORDed instantly.

Even better:
-fleet warped a bunch of aggressed frigates right to a low sec station. And it's station guns.
-forgot to change my overview and ran a Stealth Bomber right into the drones of a guy I was trying to sneak up on.
-died frantically spamming warp to sun....forgetting I was already fighting at the sun.
-decided to fly my BPO's in a combat (not travel) fit Coercer in low sec. One jump from my desto I found a gate camp.
-warped out of a fight rather than call for reps, picked the exact moon the enemy reinforcements were sitting at.
-left station with only the ammo in my guns, no reloads....or......bring the wrong type of ammo entirely.
-in a hurry to reship, I bought a ship off local contracts...in a station owned by the enemy that I couldn't dock in.
-lost SP trying to reship and get back into a Friday Frig Fry event (anyone remember those?). I purposely got podded after a fight to save travel time since I was just throwing fail-fit T1 frigs away...but forgot about my clone until I had died twice more. Woke up unable to fly my Interceptors!

And so many more..........Lol
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#19 - 2014-04-26 13:26:10 UTC
Hey, I recently went into Lo-Sec in a frigate to look for this fabled "solo-PvP" thing. I managed to sniff out an Interceptor at a planet with my D-Scan and recklessy engaged him.... except that he apparently went AFK by that time. Not that it mattered because according to the killmail he hadn´t fitted any guns anyway.
Undoubtly drunk from my own success I then engaged a Noobship at a station... completely forgetting about station guns. Two or three hits and I was in half-structure. Fortunately I got out.

I also managed to bring that terrible beast down, so there is that! Lol

So much for Lo-Sec.

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NARDAC
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2014-04-26 16:52:43 UTC
My first loss.... I was doing an agent mission that had me go through low sec.

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=7122363

Check the rails on the rifter. I wanted the longer range, but hadn't figured out arty yet...

It was my 3rd day playing the game.....
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