EVE General Discussion

Been out of game for a while and recently returned, so had a load of changes to catch up on. Last night I couldn't at first work out why my Garde II's couldn't actually hit a single blasted thing, so I had to do a bit of research and discovered the Omnidirectional Tracking Link changes.

Cripes! After nine years of Eve on and off I've seen plenty of stuff nerfed, but never have I seen anything nerfed to such complete and utter pointlessness before.

Pre sentry nerf, Garde II's on a non-bonused ship with my (reasonable) drone skills had an optimal of 30k, which with 2 T2 Omnis went up to 45k. Considering that you've devoted two entire mid slots to it that doesn't seem remotely OP to me, especially when you consider that the sentries are static (and so by definition are really only useful for sniping), and that they're a BS class weapon and many NPC battleships don't even approach to within 45k anyway.

Post sentry nerf, same dual omni setup, my Garde II's now have an optimal of 34k unscripted, or 38.9k double range scripted. Their optimal was already pretty crap, 38.9k is sufficiently crap as to verge on pointlessness.

That's wtf number one.

Wtf number two is what the hell have they done to Federation Navy Omnis!

T2 Omnis used to give a 25% buff, Fed Navy's used to give 30%, that's an increase of 20% over the T2's, not too shabby, a faction module that's actually worth a damn. But not any more. Now the T2's give a 7.5% optimal buff, and the Fed Navy's give only 8%. Are you *&@$ing kidding me? A 0.5% bonus! For real? That's totally pointless! What the Jesus munching heckfire are you guys smoking over there!

it used to be the case that Fed Navy Omni's used to add a significant amount of optimal, for unbonused ships they were really what made using Gardes even viable in the first place. Now, two of them, double range scripted, give me a grand total of... wait for it.

600m

Yes, you read it right, 600m extra optimal!

Well for 60m isk that's just an utter joke and there's obviously no point fitting them over T2 at all anymore. It's also hard to see how Gardes could ever be even remotely viable on shield tanking ships anymore.

From what I can gather the sentries were nerfed because apparently when you have 200 Archons use them against an enemy they tend to do rather a lot of damage. Well guess what. If you have 200 of anything, all shooting at one other thing, then no matter what the shooting thing is, the thing being shot at isn't going to like it! I believe it was for similar reasons that Drakes and HML's were nerfed.

The problem with this is that if every ship/weapon in Eve is going to be balanced on the basis of how good it is when 200 of them are used in coordinated PvP to shoot at one other thing, then pretty soon there will be nothing left that's any good for PvE either.

I've heard rumours that the Gila is going to be nerfed to hell as well and lose a tonne of bandwidth.

Bloody hell :-(

Does anyone else thing this is too much? Is there some new mechanism to offset these changes that I've missed? If not then I think Fed Navy Omni's should be returned to 20% better than T2 just to make them worth fitting at all.

Actually OP hopes for discussion and opinions (clue: this is a forum). If you try really hard you might just manage to formulate one, and then you'd have something worth posting.

There is a forum area for discussing game features and/or changes. As it happens, it's not GD.

Posting in a stealth "Grrr Goons" thread.

Grr Goons for all the discussion about a nerf that the OP's seach foo was not strong enough to look for, but you can also go Grr N3/PL too, it's just not as trendy.

Dammit. Who ruined the game now?

Nerf nulsec. It's their fault.

[Melodrama]OH NO! WHATEVER SHALL YOU DO OP?!?! HOW WILL YOU EVER SURVIVE! Dx ALL IS LOST! WOE IS ME!!!!!![/melodrama]

Things in the game changed. This is inevitable. The ones that are able to adapt instead of whining about it tend to prosper more.

OP, you have a very good memory.

The recent nerf was to omnis.

The actual drone changes are still coming in the summer patches.