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Removing Local from 0.0

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Adoris Nolen
Sama Guild
#1 - 2014-04-24 11:18:22 UTC
This needs to happen. The constant whining about AFK cloakers is hilarious.
Imagine no local, having to watch gates & dscan. There's already a space like that in Eve & it doesnt even have moon spew.

Nerf 0.0 Lol
Dave Stark
#2 - 2014-04-24 11:25:17 UTC
Adoris Nolen wrote:
This needs to happen.

wrong
Gempei
Marvinovi pratele
#3 - 2014-04-24 11:25:25 UTC
omg, not again!
Dominic karin
Versatility Production Corporation' LLC
#4 - 2014-04-24 11:26:50 UTC
OH LOOK AN ORIGINAL IDEA POSTED IN THE CORRECT SECTION!!

Oh wait everything I just said was false.

*sips tea*
Yang Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5 - 2014-04-24 11:28:10 UTC
Filthy NPC corp alt forum po-oh wait you're in a corp my bad.

Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
KuroVolt
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2014-04-24 11:29:24 UTC
If it's hilarious then why do you want it to change?

BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty.
Snagletooth Johnson
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2014-04-24 11:30:55 UTC
Ramone Ormand
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2014-04-24 11:31:49 UTC
You also posted this in the Features & Ideas Discussion area

You're looking for a response in that thread and to troll in this thread maybe?
Ramone Ormand
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2014-04-24 11:32:53 UTC
you worded it absolutely horribly in the Features & Ideas Discussion thread though, so maybe just trolling in both threads
Meytal
Doomheim
#10 - 2014-04-24 12:04:03 UTC
Ramone Ormand wrote:
you worded it absolutely horribly in the Features & Ideas Discussion thread though, so maybe just trolling in both threads

Haven't read that one, but based on his usual "suggestions" in the Wormholes forum, it was probably par for the course with his F&I post.
Salvos Rhoska
#11 - 2014-04-24 12:05:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Agreed, it needs to happen, and I am confident it will.

Null sec has no right to automatic local data.

I think after it is removed, it could however be made possible for Sov holders to "buy" local data service, as facilitated by some kind of physical installation.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#12 - 2014-04-24 12:10:19 UTC
Adoris Nolen wrote:
This needs to happen. The constant whining about AFK cloakers is hilarious.
Imagine no local, having to watch gates & dscan. There's already a space like that in Eve & it doesnt even have moon spew.

Nerf 0.0 Lol


Bolded that part that makes 0.0 not wormhole space.
Salvos Rhoska
#13 - 2014-04-24 12:11:15 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Bolded that part that makes 0.0 not wormhole space.


Its not NPC space either.

Why should you get the data for free?
Who is paying for it?

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Dave Stark
#14 - 2014-04-24 12:12:44 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Bolded that part that makes 0.0 not wormhole space.


Its not NPC space either.

Why should you get the data for free?
Who is paying for it?


you don't pay for it in npc space either, try again.
Belt Scout
Thread Lockaholics Anonymous
#15 - 2014-04-24 12:13:24 UTC
People that need local are just afraid of the dark. Having no local list of names in w-space works just fine. (Unless you're dumb enough, or new enough, to 'opt in' with a pubbie o7m8 in the window.)

Get rid of local in the entire game and balance it by pushing the dscan range up and adding a special 'Pilots' tab that will populate when you hit scan.

It'll never happen because the leet peeveepee'rs need their security blanket.

They say most of your brain shuts down on the EvE forums. All but the impatient side, and the sarcastic side. No wonder I'm still awake.

**This IS my main so STFU.
Salvos Rhoska
#16 - 2014-04-24 12:13:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Dave Stark wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Bolded that part that makes 0.0 not wormhole space.


Its not NPC space either.

Why should you get the data for free?
Who is paying for it?


you don't pay for it in npc space either, try again.


The NPCs do.
They run the space.
They OWN the space.

Do you not understand the difference?
Or is your false sense of carebear entitlment blocking your vision?

TRY AGAIN

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Dave Stark
#17 - 2014-04-24 12:21:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Dave Stark
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Bolded that part that makes 0.0 not wormhole space.


Its not NPC space either.

Why should you get the data for free?
Who is paying for it?


you don't pay for it in npc space either, try again.


The NPCs do.
They run the space.
They OWN the space.

Do you not understand the difference?
Or is your false sense of carebear entitlment blocking your vision?

TRY AGAIN


npcs don't pay for anything, they're npcs. and it's irrelevant what they pay for, not that they pay for anything.

nobody pays for local.
Meytal
Doomheim
#18 - 2014-04-24 12:23:16 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Bolded that part that makes 0.0 not wormhole space.


Its not NPC space either.

Why should you get the data for free?
Who is paying for it?


you don't pay for it in npc space either, try again.


The NPCs do.
They run the space.
They OWN the space.

Do you not understand the difference?
Or is your false sense of carebear entitlment blocking your vision?

TRY AGAIN

Technically, in Sov space, the entity holding Sov is paying for that space.

If all things were ideal, one of two things would happen: either the Sov holder would set up dedicated equipment to maintain a communications presence in the system, such as communications relay satellites, POS mods or whatever, or the gates/stations/outposts themselves would report entry/exit/presence in the system.

In either case, if you do not communicate with the satellites/gates, you would not be able to participate in local communications. So for example, if you entered the system via wormhole connection, you wouldn't show up in Local but you also wouldn't see anyone in Local or be able to chat in Local either until you were on-grid with a gate, station, POS, or whatever communications device existed. In wormhole systems, there would be no Local communications at all.

CCP took the easy-to-code approach in favour of true realism. Can't fault them for that, no matter how much I dislike Local :)
Salvos Rhoska
#19 - 2014-04-24 12:30:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Adding a separate Sov payed option of access to Local is not unreasonable.
The assumption that it is a deserved "entitled" mechanic, however, is completely false.

There should be no Local in Null, without the Sov holders explicitly paying for that privilege and service, whether thtough constructed and maintained infrastructure, or by outsourcing it to the gate authorities for an ISK charge.

Make no mistake, post expansion, when Null can fairly be said to be more profitable, it is time to start re-evaluating and adjusting exactly what it is that Null is taking for granted. Be prepared to pay for every single inch of it..

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Dave Stark
#20 - 2014-04-24 12:32:13 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Adding a separate Sov payed option of access to Local is not unreasonable.
The assumption that it is a deserved "entitled" mechanic, however, is completely false.

There should be no Local in Null, without the Sov holders explicitly paying for that privilege and service.


which they already do; sov bills.

so we're agreed local shouldn't be removed. good.
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