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One and done miners- pissing me off
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Ezra Blade Blade
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-04-11 14:42:59 UTC
Ok is it just me, or is it the jerk miner , or is it just the respawn of the ore.
I warp in to every belt in system and EVERY +% ore has been reduced to less than 1 cycle of ore. Like someone came in and just cycled their strip miner once and jumped to the next rock, Why not cycle and pulse until they got all? Laziness?
Someone shed some light on this for me. Im not quite getting the mentality behind this. Is it just to grief? is it actually a better more efficient way to mine?
lame I say!
Rostok Kemal
Soleil d'Or
#2 - 2014-04-11 15:13:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Rostok Kemal
The miners are trying to maximize yield per cycle. They keep a close eye on amount of ore left in the rock by using a survey scanner, and when it is less than a full cycle switch to a different rock.

I can't be bothered to watch the survey scanner that close, I just keep going until they pop. At least you can be pretty sure they aren't bots.
Ezra Blade Blade
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2014-04-11 15:24:27 UTC
Ok I guess this makes sense. Man I don't have the concentration to stare at a scanner either. I still stand by my post.
It's pissing me off
350125GO
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2014-04-11 15:30:48 UTC
you really only have to run the scanner when you have a rock that's low, and then you just stop your cycle 1/2way through.

Leaving some ore in the rock might date back to the MYTH that rocks will respawn larger if they have ore in them vs. if they're popped.

I remember early days in 0.0 we used to never pop the ark or bistot rocks for that belief. It was great when CCP finally debunked that myth.

Find the tools that are doing this and gank them.

You're young, you'll adjust. I'm old, I'll get used to it.
Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#5 - 2014-04-11 15:35:05 UTC
I've never seen that & it sounds like a lot of extra work. What security class systems are you mining in?
Ezra Blade Blade
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2014-04-11 15:44:06 UTC
full on newb sec. Which makes it even more weird that someone would be hanging around in newbsec doing that.
But I guess I understand the 'logic'
I mean mining is boring already, I cant imagine all the point and click doing it this way.
this isn't a whine fest either- I was just trying to figure out what the heck was going on
350125GO
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2014-04-11 16:09:55 UTC
it's not really a lot of point and click. The scanner will tell you all the rocks in range and what their volume is. You can update it every mining cycle if you want, but generally you wouldn't do it until you knew you were close to being within a cycle or two of popping the rocks you're currently mining.

You're young, you'll adjust. I'm old, I'll get used to it.
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2014-04-11 16:21:40 UTC
If you're up in 0.9 or 1.0, the rocks are small normally. Could be that someone cherry-picked the best ore yesterday and when the rocks respawned at DT, they're small and it looks like someone's mined them, but it's just that they were mined completely yesterday

Maybe find somewhere quieter to mine
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#9 - 2014-04-11 16:49:14 UTC
Ezra Blade Blade wrote:
Ok is it just me, or is it the jerk miner , or is it just the respawn of the ore.
I warp in to every belt in system and EVERY +% ore has been reduced to less than 1 cycle of ore. Like someone came in and just cycled their strip miner once and jumped to the next rock, Why not cycle and pulse until they got all? Laziness?
Someone shed some light on this for me. Im not quite getting the mentality behind this. Is it just to grief? is it actually a better more efficient way to mine?
lame I say!
As far as I know if the whole belt is mined out it respawns with smaller rocks the next day. Not sure if that's a recursive thing so multiple days could shrink it right down. In 0.8-1.0 it's not uncommon to see most rocks smaller than a single cycle though.

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Wulfgar WarHammer
Unrustled
#10 - 2014-04-11 16:59:42 UTC
Ezra Blade Blade wrote:
Ok is it just me, or is it the jerk miner , or is it just the respawn of the ore.
I warp in to every belt in system and EVERY +% ore has been reduced to less than 1 cycle of ore. Like someone came in and just cycled their strip miner once and jumped to the next rock, Why not cycle and pulse until they got all? Laziness?
Someone shed some light on this for me. Im not quite getting the mentality behind this. Is it just to grief? is it actually a better more efficient way to mine?
lame I say!


I do that. Are you mining pyro? I do that to solid pyro rocks Big smile Does it make you want to stop mining pyro? If so, my work here is done.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#11 - 2014-04-12 14:49:09 UTC
...And lets not forget the 25 Mackinaw ISBoxers who suck up entire Ice Spawns in 20 minutes.

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Gabriel Z
Krabulous
#12 - 2014-04-12 15:26:14 UTC
bots. the answer is baby bots. they scan, calculate total number of full cycles, run that many cycles and move on
Count Nooblianos
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2014-04-17 15:13:11 UTC
If you know how much ore is in the asteroid, how much you mine each cycle and the length of the cycle you can calculate how long optimal mining should take and do something else with an alt
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
#14 - 2014-04-17 17:55:07 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
...And lets not forget the 25 Mackinaw ISBoxers who suck up entire Ice Spawns in 20 minutes.


Does that actually happen? I presume that it is a nullsec activity?

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Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
#15 - 2014-04-17 18:07:12 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Ezra Blade Blade wrote:
Ok is it just me, or is it the jerk miner , or is it just the respawn of the ore.
I warp in to every belt in system and EVERY +% ore has been reduced to less than 1 cycle of ore. Like someone came in and just cycled their strip miner once and jumped to the next rock, Why not cycle and pulse until they got all? Laziness?
Someone shed some light on this for me. Im not quite getting the mentality behind this. Is it just to grief? is it actually a better more efficient way to mine?
lame I say!
As far as I know if the whole belt is mined out it respawns with smaller rocks the next day. Not sure if that's a recursive thing so multiple days could shrink it right down. In 0.8-1.0 it's not uncommon to see most rocks smaller than a single cycle though.


I was under the impression that was the case as well that totally mining out rocks would result in a decreased spawned amount the following DT. I have no proof for that statement though. Who mines in 0.8 - 1.0 ? Shocked

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Tenchi Sal
White Knights of Equestria
#16 - 2014-04-18 11:21:09 UTC
You're probably seeing the left overs of bots. The more popular bot programs have a feature that lets you set it to mine only a couple of cycles. It will then work on to the next rock.
Kun'ii Zenya
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#17 - 2014-04-23 04:25:31 UTC
350125GO wrote:


Find the tools that are doing this and gank them.


This, do it enough they'll move on.
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#18 - 2014-04-23 05:12:55 UTC
Shiloh Templeton wrote:
I've never seen that & it sounds like a lot of extra work. What security class systems are you mining in?


Lots of people talk about ISK/hour, but sometimes the relevant metric is ISK/effort.
Dave Stark
#19 - 2014-04-23 05:49:26 UTC
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
...And lets not forget the 25 Mackinaw ISBoxers who suck up entire Ice Spawns in 20 minutes.


Does that actually happen? I presume that it is a nullsec activity?


no, it's quite easy to do in high sec.

easier, actually. the belts in high sec are smaller.
PhatController
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#20 - 2014-04-24 02:46:52 UTC
BOT's, it's that simple.
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