Ships & Modules

Interesting fact I just discovered:

You can add a 4th turret to the Revelation and it still does less raw damage than the Moros with 3, and once you take tracking into account you can give the Revelation 6 turrets and the Moros will still do more damage against a battleship at the Revelation's optimal with Multifrequency.

Anyone else see something wrong with this?

Discuss.

The fits compared were both using 4 heat sinks/mag stabs in the lows and no implants. I also used meta guns, but everything else was T2. Rigs were SMC 1s.

Armour Revelation vs shield Moros:

If you're shooting at a moving battleship (no prop) Standard is the first ammo type where the Revelation does more damage than a Moros with Antimatter and that is at 67kms, but then the Moros swaps to Thorium and suddenly we're back to square one. 70kms is the first time a Revelation can match a Moros for damage.

70kms, almost 5 times the Moros' optimal and well into second falloff.

Armour Revelation vs Armour Moros:

Same picture, except now the Moros is trading TEs for TCs, so its range is better. Infrared is now the first ammo that beats Antimatter for applied damage against a moving battleship, at 75kms.


This would all be fine if the Revelation had some sort of raw damage advantage. If it could hit a stationary target for more damage than a Moros, but then had worse trackign and so couldn't hit a moving target as well that'd be fine, but that's nto how it works. As I said before, you could give it an extra turret and the Moros would still do more raw damage as well as more applied damage to all targets.

Given that the Pirate Battleships have just gotten their announcement, I suspect capital ships will be up soon for rebalancing. Possibly patch 1.1 in whatever they call the summer expansion.

blops are up aswell, i d say they will be first.

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Not to **** on your parrade, but you are not getting 11k DPS without officer heat sinks and 6% implants.

A more reasonable PvP fit (T2 Heat Sinks, with T1 guns and normal crystals) runs only 8549 DPS with all Vs and no implants. A Moros with a similar fitting standard will net you 12505 DPS, almost 50% more raw DPS as well as better application of said damage.


I'm not saying the Revelation has no advantages, but for PvP, those advantages just don't matter.

For PvE, specifically c5/6 capital escalations, I used an all Vs Revelation as first dread for over a year. The advantages the Revelation has (cap and tank) are actually useful there. Second and onwards dreads should be Moroses though.

Range and EM damage?

If you want EM damage, use a Naglfar - it does a lot more EM damage than the Rev.
With two TCs, blasters Moros has more DPS at range than a dual-TC Pulse Revelation.

Shield Rev gets a decent tank.. but 4 mids limit it alot.. 8 lows can get.. well.. interesting with the choices..

possible? yes... practical? hmmmmm...

Nice but how much DPS it is?