Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Sentry (and heavy?) drones have a sensor strength of 22.5. You might as well try jamming the rattlesnake. (strength of 30)

No need to jam the Snake if it is using drones - just jam the drones - Kitsune with meta 4 faction specific will knock out targeting every few cycles, 2 will perma jam it. Bring a Falcon you can perma jam drones and the ship (even easier now as there are only 2 drones to worry about). Snake with max skills has 36 sensor strength but can still be jammed.
My Basi has a sensor strength of 51.74 and still gets jammed every now and then.

High sensor strength helps avoid jamming, it doesn't mean you won't get jammed. You don't need to perma jam to negate a lot of the incoming Dps.

Well that odd because I'm rather attentive to drones and they dont really have a single one drop to "idle", which is what happened when they got a jam before. I would notice an idle drone for 10 seconds.

NPCs already persecute a single drone for the most part, very rare to get split fire.


Edit: That wouldnt be a smart move as drones can be pulled in and redeployed - they will be back out and firing faster than the ECM cycle. Unless they come back out jammed. That seems to be highly unlikely.

I'm going to vainly try to take this thread in another direction... Pirate battleships seem to be midway between Faction and T2 Marauders, with one exception: the Vindicator (and to a lesser extent, the Machariel). Every other single Pirate battleship has at least one utility high - except the Vindicator. Thus, I'm suggesting the following:

Vindicator
Specs: 7h(-1), 5m, 8l(+1); 6 turrets(-2)
Roll Bonus: 75% to large hybrid weapon damage
This is 4.5% less overall damage, but is offset by a utility high and additional low slot.

Machariel
Specs: 7h(-1), 6m(+1), 7l; 6 turrets(-1)
Roll Bonus: 37.5% to large projectile rate of fire
This is a slight damage buff of 2.9%, but provides the Machariel with another mid slot.

i'm sorry but you are wrong; drones do not fire when mwding, and as soon as they get in range they shut down the mwd; the web will slow them out of range and they need to mwd again for 1 cycle to get in range and so on;
all that that have been explained before...

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there is a big difference: webbing one out of 5 drones will make you lose 20% dps, so basically no one do that; webbing one out of 2 drones will make you lose 50% dps. that's a pretty big difference don't you think?

Ok lets make this as clear as humanly possible.

Current users who have experience of the rattlesnake have serious concerns with the way this has been apparently implemented.
They are pointing out the issues and concerns they have and are unanamous in their opinion that the balance of this concept needs looking at, if it is to have any application as a drone boat in any form.

There is another group who deny there are any issues. And disparage and criticise any who believes otherwise. Their opinion seems to be that it is now a missile boat and drone users should accept whatever they are given without complaint. They manage therefore everyone else is bad for not being as good.

Possibly they are renowned experts in their particular field and their blog posts and web discussion sites avidly followed by all who want to understand eve and be the best they can? and their views should also be taken as representative of other experts and override all other views?

Or just given the same weight as other players?

Both are opinions. CCP should consider both and make their decision.

But to deny there are concerns is not an option for a reasonable solution.

No. The situation that you describe simply reflects an incorrect choice of drone by the Rattlesnake pilot. I keep on explaining this but it's not sinking in. The Rattlesnake pilot should not be using heavy drones in this situation so the problem that you describe should never arise.

The only way that you will be able to use a web to drive a heavy drone out of activation range in the way that you describe is if you are flying a fast ship that is not itself tackled. In which case, the Rattlesnake pilot should not be using heavy drones. It should be using sentries.

If you are attempting to orbit around 10 km, then, yes, you can try to web an incoming heavy drone. I've tested this and it doesn't work very well. The heavies are too fast and you're too close. Yes, you could then attempt to burn away and web the drone down, but in this case you just switch to sentries - and frankly you shouldn't have been able to have done this anyway, because of counter-tackle.

As a Rattler PvE pilot, one of the things I currently love is the flexibility having a large 400 m3 drone bay gives you. Unlike many pilots I don't simply fill it with a few different waves of heavies or sentries. I like to carry a range of drone types for different situations, many of which I may only experience once in a blue moon, but that's part of the fun of fitting out a drone boat for me. I like having EWAR drones, repair drones (hull, shield and armour), a full set of salvage drones and even some mining drones in case I'm in the mood or find a rare asteroid on a mission. It is sad that the change will prevent this with the drone bay being reduced to only 175 m3, so perhaps drone bay capacity could be split into combat and utility drones if CCP are really simply trying to reduce the number of alternative flights of drones or spares?

I will take my 8 guns thanks. If you want the utility then you can use the navy mega.

Personally, I do not agree, with the first, it is now a drone ship in name only, but hopefully CCP Rise just didn't put ALL the stats regarding light and mediums because he thought we would assume they were unchanged (*hopeful*. But we will see either way) the third point I am afraid is that is it less adaptable than before so I respectfully do not agree, and neither do many others, but you are also entitled to your opinion. But regarding your second point, yes it does get a strong bonus to the missiles.