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The nerf to Drone Hordes

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Zandramus
Quiet.Storm
#61 - 2011-12-01 15:41:06 UTC
Evgeniy Taran wrote:
Sorry guys but I didn't get where is the reason in nerf to Drone Hordes.
Before the nerf we had been making more efforts(salvage, collect, sale alloys or refine and build stuff) to earn the same money from dron region towards the regions with bounty.

And now, after last path you(CCP) presented gift for as. We cannot salvage while we do the horde which we need to do in order to get any money. This increases the time it takes to do a horde significantly. Which reduced ISK income.

Everything looks good by now, except drone regions. I think that we need to rework last changes that according to the drone regions.

Thanks. With hope that this problem will be solved.




I got 2 things to say about this

1. Boo freekin. Hoo
2. It's about time they did this . The entire drone region was a mistake with mining with guns and all. Severly hurt the mining profession. You should not be able to mine up a capital ship worth of minerals the way you can in the drone regions. This is why we have the supercap problem we have today.

I see this as finally a fix to the mistake they made 3 years ago with the drone region.
Maybe people will actually start to mine again and mineral prices will return to pre drone region prices.

Zandramus
Widemouth Deepthroat
Pink Sockers
#62 - 2011-12-01 17:12:35 UTC
Sub Prime wrote:
Tetragammatron Alpha wrote:

If you weren't terrible you could make ~300mil per hour running drone hordes with smart bombing carriers till they nerfed that.

Drone hordes always completed? No....everyone who lives there with a brain knows to just kill the bs, warp out and go next site. Warp in rorq/noctis a couple mins after to the last site when it has despawned.


We're talking about 1 week ago compared to today, not 'pluck a date out of the sky' compared to today.

Regarding the despawning, you're not getitng this gist of the problem, now that the drones can't all be spawned at once, you can't just kill BS and then bugger off. Also, AFAIK the site won't despawn if there are NPC's left in it.


Your last post said drone regions where always worse than normal npc space, I was just saying you were wrong. Up until Incursion (Nov '10) you could make easily x3-4 as much as people running anomalies in non-drone space.

When I did c5-6 wh we used to bring tanked proteus fit for tractor and salvager into the site so we can start clearing wrecks and collect loot instead of spending another 15-20mins doing it after the site is cleared. You can do the same in your drone anomaly :D
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#63 - 2011-12-01 21:04:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Ireland VonVicious
Drone region nerfed to help miners seems to be the thread.

Suggestions for bounties and tags are not as good as they first sound.
Anything that adds isk instead of items in the game will cause inflation.

I'd personally like to see more of the rare drone bpc's replace the alloy aspect from before so they become an item that is not just for collectors. Miners can get the buff and those rare drones will get down in price all while while reducing the negative effect of this patch in the drone region.

A little drone love is needed. As those who use them didn't get any help with those tier 3 bc's. Still stuck without a bc that has 125 bandwidth even though multiple cruiser have it. Atleast give us better access to the fancy drones.

Multiple fixes in one.

Imagine more drone aspects happening in the drone region. That's just crazy!
Sub Prime
Perkone
Caldari State
#64 - 2011-12-01 21:52:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Sub Prime
Widemouth Deepthroat wrote:

Your last post said drone regions where always worse than normal npc space, I was just saying you were wrong. Up until Incursion (Nov '10) you could make easily x3-4 as much as people running anomalies in non-drone space.

When I did c5-6 wh we used to bring tanked proteus fit for tractor and salvager into the site so we can start clearing wrecks and collect loot instead of spending another 15-20mins doing it after the site is cleared. You can do the same in your drone anomaly :D


a) Yes, Hordes are worse than any Sanctum (the non drone 'equivalent'). and were still worse pre Crucible.

b) I don't really care what it was like a year ago, I'm comparing pre to post . Trying to create a comparison between a year ago and a week ago vs now is plain stupid.

c) You do realise that the alloys from a Horde take up approx 3000m3 of cargo space? Also, lol at trying to compare salvaging c5/6 wh's to salvaging hordes.
Widemouth Deepthroat
Pink Sockers
#65 - 2011-12-01 23:36:31 UTC
Sub Prime wrote:
Widemouth Deepthroat wrote:

Your last post said drone regions where always worse than normal npc space, I was just saying you were wrong. Up until Incursion (Nov '10) you could make easily x3-4 as much as people running anomalies in non-drone space.

When I did c5-6 wh we used to bring tanked proteus fit for tractor and salvager into the site so we can start clearing wrecks and collect loot instead of spending another 15-20mins doing it after the site is cleared. You can do the same in your drone anomaly :D


a) Yes, Hordes are worse than any Sanctum (the non drone 'equivalent'). and were still worse pre Crucible.

b) I don't really care what it was like a year ago, I'm comparing pre to post . Trying to create a comparison between a year ago and a week ago vs now is plain stupid.

c) You do realise that the alloys from a Horde take up approx 3000m3 of cargo space? Also, lol at trying to compare salvaging c5/6 wh's to salvaging hordes.

use your brain...just because you salvage and collect loot in a can beside the proteus doesn't mean you have to haul it with proteus :D
Cur
Back Door Burglars
#66 - 2011-12-02 00:48:32 UTC
This NameTaken wrote:
Sub Prime wrote:
Why do I still feel astounded when CCP make a changes without investigating the consequences of their actions. Why don't they get a dev to join a DR corp for a week and actually understand how the anoms work and what's wrong with them.


Is it possible that they did investigate, and found that drones are making miners unneeded? I know this is a nerf to drone shooters, but it should be a much needed buff to miners.



If by Buff you mean you're the prison guard inside a prison's kitchen, standing over a miner/prisoner who's saying he prefers to get spaceships and shoot the crap out of the food plate(doing drone hordes) rather than eat it (mining in a hulk) because eating it would result in slow death by poisioning (how **** boring, uninventfull, and un-fun mining with a hulk has been, for some years now)



Perhaps if ccp nurfed the drone hordes at the same time they did something that would encourage people to go mining because they enjoy it, not because its seen as a mundane task that some would prefer to committ suicide over rather than actualy do, there wouldent be as much outcry?


TLDR: Mining the "old fashioned way" is as boring as ****, so is doing drone hordes but when compared to mining its an absolute shitload more tolerable. CCP's approach by nurfing the hordes to force people to go back to mining in a hulk to get the same mineral retruns is the equivilant of CCP cooking up porrige, telling everyone they put in the chef's own, fresh "special sauce with a side of assahirs" then shoving it down their throats regardless of their begs/cries to opt-out.
Pestilent Industries
Doomheim
#67 - 2011-12-02 01:58:06 UTC
No one cares about Russian bots, sorry.
Umega
Solis Mensa
#68 - 2011-12-02 02:33:18 UTC
Could be smarter about this..

Complain about drone salvage instead of drops. CCP has the numbers.. and I'd wager they know drone regions poop too many minerals into the market.

Or could be a bug exploit fix..

Or could be a counter to some other kind of exploit..

Just sayin.

The more minerals go up as result of this.. the value of each drone drop goes up. So do yourselves a favor and get a drone wreck salvage increase instead and end up with a win win.

What was that about salvaging being too difficult now? Maybe for someone not paying attention to the screen..

Just sayin.

 Ume-Pro Studios
Mirima Thurander
#69 - 2011-12-02 02:40:31 UTC
TL;DR Nurf drone poo drops give drones isk pay outs



miners every where rejoice!

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#70 - 2011-12-02 02:46:40 UTC
Widemouth Deepthroat wrote:
Sub Prime wrote:
Widemouth Deepthroat wrote:

Your last post said drone regions where always worse than normal npc space, I was just saying you were wrong. Up until Incursion (Nov '10) you could make easily x3-4 as much as people running anomalies in non-drone space.

When I did c5-6 wh we used to bring tanked proteus fit for tractor and salvager into the site so we can start clearing wrecks and collect loot instead of spending another 15-20mins doing it after the site is cleared. You can do the same in your drone anomaly :D


a) Yes, Hordes are worse than any Sanctum (the non drone 'equivalent'). and were still worse pre Crucible.

b) I don't really care what it was like a year ago, I'm comparing pre to post . Trying to create a comparison between a year ago and a week ago vs now is plain stupid.

c) You do realise that the alloys from a Horde take up approx 3000m3 of cargo space? Also, lol at trying to compare salvaging c5/6 wh's to salvaging hordes.

use your brain...just because you salvage and collect loot in a can beside the proteus doesn't mean you have to haul it with proteus :D


How DARE you expect people to think for themselves and be creative!

You must be in the wrong game, BEGONE sir....

Hope your sarcasm meter dind't just explode :) .
Drew Solaert
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#71 - 2011-12-02 11:05:01 UTC
Personally I'm all for the change, the Drones need a alloy drop nerf.

I'd like to see them drop something else instead, maybe like the sleeper databanks that can be sold to NPC's or something along those lines

Yes it'll drive mineral prices up but at the same time it'd be a much needed boost to the mining community, I for one would dust off the old mining character of mine if the mineral prices increased.

I lied :o
Moloney
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#72 - 2011-12-02 13:15:52 UTC
Is this an attempt to put miners back into the game?

As the quantity of minerals available from these sites decrease and the Time it takes to harvest the minerals goes up, there is going to be a short fall in the market for minerals.

With or without bots the hole will still exist.

Throw in the insturance removal to CONCORD deaths...

... Hulkageddon is goingt o cost a lot more :)
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#73 - 2011-12-02 13:38:27 UTC
Kaptain Kruncher wrote:
Emperor Salazar wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:


Heh, talk about taking things a tad bit too seriously. Actually the personal attack was started by Emperor Salazar which was conveniently left out of the quote. However, this response just proves Sub Prime's statement is correct.

This type of reply is a classic example of a prepubescence immature mentality that is currently plaguing these Forums.

This type of behavior is uncalled for and is detrimental to the Community, these Forums and the game itself. Fortunately there's a 'Report' option and after submitting a few of those, there's another option called 'Petition'.


Citizens of Missions and Complexes!

Never fear!

DMC, the White Knight of Gotham is here!

He shall save us all from ourselves!

Yay.Big smileSmileSadShockedWhat?CoolLolXPOopsCryEvilTwistedRollBlinkAttentionQuestionIdeaArrowStraightPirateUghBear

ps: your little elitist "IM SO MATURE, YOU ALL NEED TO GROW UP AND STOP ACTING LIKE CHILDREN" attitude is a bad joke; a little anarchy and foolishness is good for humility...you know that thing that prevents you from being a pretentious douche?

also, while its all fun and games, I actually didn't start the personal attacks. I believe I was likened to a....lets see... cocky little tw@t that gets an e-peen hardon

hurp durp, thats not playing nice now is it?


DMC is still mad because he was the last pilot to discover that you could bypass certain gates in certain missions.


Kaptain Kruncher, sorry to inform you but I'm not mad about that gate exploit.

Even though Emperor Salazar's posted reply is comical, it's still a personal attack delivered with mocking sarcasm intended to berate, annoy and insult, otherwise known as trolling.

The 'ps' is actually an attempt to refocus attention onto me, otherwise known as 'Argumentum ad hominem : an attempt to negate the truth of a claim by pointing out a negative characteristic or belief of the person supporting it.'

Anyway, saying 'it's all fun and games' doesn't negate the 'Rules'.

As for who first started the personal attacks, anyone reading this thread can see it started with this posted reply.
Emperor Salazar wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:


Vipieris is correct.


Well if the mighty DMC says so, then obviously this is the case.


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Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#74 - 2011-12-02 13:50:44 UTC
You are butthurt because I called you mighty? In what world is that a personal attack? I was commending your prowess.

But really, on a scale of 1 to copious amounts of vagisil, how butt hurt are you?

You're one of those guys that comes to a complete stop at a stop sign, waits 3 seconds, and slowly starts driving away again when its clear aren't you?

PS: I find it rather flattering that you are willing to put so much effort into defending the citizens of Missions and Complexes from all the trolls and meanies.
Hemmo Paskiainen
#75 - 2011-12-02 14:27:04 UTC
Fredrick Engly wrote:
Doing a complete horde site and salvaging now yields around 350 Plush, previously it was 800ish.

Well done on the stealth nerf CCP


800 x 20,000 isk = 16 mil in plush alone for 1 site with a smarbombing battleship or carrier could run in 10 minuts max.

ether way 16mil x 6= 96 mil
16 mil x 4 = 64 mil

not bad per hour from plush only, i guess all we hear now are crying carebears and it did deserved a nerf.....

If relativity equals time plus momentum, what equals relativity, if the momentum is minus to the time?
Hemmo Paskiainen
#76 - 2011-12-02 14:50:16 UTC
Cur wrote:

TLDR: Mining the "old fashioned way" is as boring as ****, so is doing drone hordes but when compared to mining its an absolute shitload more tolerable. CCP's approach by nurfing the hordes to force people to go back to mining in a hulk to get the same mineral retruns is the equivilant of CCP cooking up porrige, telling everyone they put in the chef's own, fresh "special sauce with a side of assahirs" then shoving it down their throats regardless of their begs/cries to opt-out.


Im looking forward to the 20m wasted sp in industry and spaceship cmmand to be reimbursed. Or the 40msp on 4 toons total with i dont use now

If relativity equals time plus momentum, what equals relativity, if the momentum is minus to the time?
mickydees
PaP KG
#77 - 2011-12-02 16:21:50 UTC
so can we get a dev to maybe post if they are looking into it or is it staying the way it is for now.
Vipieris
Fraternal Order of Raddei
#78 - 2011-12-02 21:03:20 UTC
Emperor Salazar wrote:
You are butthurt because I called you mighty? In what world is that a personal attack? I was commending your prowess.

But really, on a scale of 1 to copious amounts of vagisil, how butt hurt are you?

You're one of those guys that comes to a complete stop at a stop sign, waits 3 seconds, and slowly starts driving away again when its clear aren't you?

PS: I find it rather flattering that you are willing to put so much effort into defending the citizens of Missions and Complexes from all the trolls and meanies.



Wow bro - you really have a frightening infactuation with "butts". I wonder if you're a big Justin Bieber fan...

No no - I'm not asking, so don't tell...

Your language, attitude, and personality is disgusting, but I know your type: "I talk big on the internet 'cause I'm safe there."

The bottom line is, your comments are completely irrelevant to the topic at hand, and quite possibly the reason that CCP has seemingly ignored this thread. EVE (and I'll wager a guess humanity as a whole) would be better off if you just disappeared.

But go on ahead calling others "self-righteous" - I need fodder for a children's book I'm writing about pots accusing kettles...
OllieNorth
Recidivists Incorporated
#79 - 2011-12-02 21:18:05 UTC
My, my, my, sure is a lot of E-Peen swinging in here. Pirate

I may be mistaken, but I thought there were some Dev posts where they specifically stated that they had never intended the Drones to turn into such a huge mineral faucet. They wanted mining to be the prime generator, so this seems like a pretty straight-forward way to re-balance.

That said, the Drone Region addition has never made any sense to me, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if we are simply dealing with the actions of two seperate factions within CCP.

I personally would rather see the drones drop unique material that is useful in its own right, but not reprocessable into normal minerals. Hell, maybe even have them drop moon goo, that'd be entertaining. Twisted
Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#80 - 2011-12-02 21:35:19 UTC
Vipieris wrote:


Wow bro - you really have a frightening infactuation with "butts". I wonder if you're a big Justin Bieber fan...

No no - I'm not asking, so don't tell...

Your language, attitude, and personality is disgusting, but I know your type: "I talk big on the internet 'cause I'm safe there."

The bottom line is, your comments are completely irrelevant to the topic at hand, and quite possibly the reason that CCP has seemingly ignored this thread. EVE (and I'll wager a guess humanity as a whole) would be better off if you just disappeared.

But go on ahead calling others "self-righteous" - I need fodder for a children's book I'm writing about pots accusing kettles...


I read this as "I hate gay people, please diaf" Was that the message you were trying to get across?

At any rate, who peed in your cereal today? Also, you might want to look up "self-righteous," as I don't think it means what you seem to think it means.

More on topic, I actually was posting about on-topic, that is until Mr. Prime got all mad that I disagreed with his entitlement view. Then the fun began for all!