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Why is the Exploration System so ****** up?
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Fleisch Lego
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-04-22 12:08:13 UTC
Every ******* time i convince my self to do one of this worthless and time consuming sites. They ******* end in dekline? This whole mechanik just sucks. Its 4 ******* regions were you can start and you always end up in the same 5 systems near or in deklein.

WTF

Exploration and Escalations are made for sov holders to stay in there cosy carebeare systems. So everyone can use his/her carebear dreadnought/carrier?

Risk means reward huh? A dangerous place?

Staying at home means danger?
Making it possible to blitz a fleetstaging point in a dread makes it more dangerous?


And again CCP got me im rageing about their marketing bla bla.

EVE = WOW with spaceships

Good Job CCP
Nolen Cadmar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2014-04-22 13:07:55 UTC
The risk vs reward philosophy that they currently have assumes that highsec is safe, and nullsec is not. Many of us know that nullsec and even lowsec is often empty, which inherently makes it safe.

I'd love to see sec status of systems change relative to activity. Jita has a lot of kills, therefore sec status should go down. If some dead-end nullsec system has no activity and no ship/pod kills, sec status should go up and eventually get above 0.5

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Fleisch Lego
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2014-04-22 13:31:14 UTC
Null sec wouldn´t be empty if they would cancel the mail systems that tells you,
if someone who is not in your alliance has build up a pos tower in one of your systems.

You would have to live in your own systems to keep the control over it.

Not like now with 20 Jumps of empty space and endless jump bridge networks and so on.

Nolen Cadmar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4 - 2014-04-22 13:47:59 UTC
I agree. I forget who posted it, but I liked the idea where one could take sov from another by performing some actions in the system. I can't remember what exactly they said, but the overall concept is what I liked. It forced you to be active in the system in order to hold the sov.

This would allow for smaller groups to hold a handful of systems, without making it overly difficult for large groups to hold many systems. Instead of boring structure grinds, they'd have to run sites in a lot of smaller groups. Lots of smaller groups means lots of targets. That would force people to spread out, making PVP small gang fights more readily available.

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Fleisch Lego
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2014-04-22 13:59:06 UTC
Why hold it?

Just jump in drop a pos mine and rat as you like.

Today you cant because of this strange mailing system.

Just take a trip to Pure Blind or Tribute, Its empty.
It´s like CCP wants the universe to be empty.
Nolen Cadmar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2014-04-22 14:01:55 UTC
Yes, but I'm sure there's lots of small groups that would want to hold sov in a just one or two systems (I myself have no desire to do so, but I know many who would). It certainly wouldn't hurt if null were to have many small groups fill the inactive areas. That would also provide additional content for the larger groups.

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You're Mum
The New Eden Yacht Club
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#7 - 2014-04-22 14:02:18 UTC
Fleisch Lego wrote:
Every ******* time i convince my self to do one of this worthless and time consuming sites. They ******* end in dekline? This whole mechanik just sucks. Its 4 ******* regions were you can start and you always end up in the same 5 systems near or in deklein.

WTF

Exploration and Escalations are made for sov holders to stay in there cosy carebeare systems. So everyone can use his/her carebear dreadnought/carrier?

Risk means reward huh? A dangerous place?

Staying at home means danger?
Making it possible to blitz a fleetstaging point in a dread makes it more dangerous?


And again CCP got me im rageing about their marketing bla bla.

EVE = WOW with spaceships

Good Job CCP



I was running an escalation with an alt in pure blind and this ended up in VFK, well I thought that’s a write off will never get to complete that.
Flew into VFK and ran it under the noses of 50+ goons.

Most of them are deployed elsewhere and the ones that are still in VFK are mostly afk
Just deal with it or HTFU
Oh and link shiny in local on the way out Big smile

CCP’s song: 99 little bugs in the code, 99 little bugs, you take one down patch it around, 127 little bugs in the code
Fleisch Lego
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2014-04-22 14:10:44 UTC
You're Mum wrote:
Fleisch Lego wrote:
Every ******* time i convince my self to do one of this worthless and time consuming sites. They ******* end in dekline? This whole mechanik just sucks. Its 4 ******* regions were you can start and you always end up in the same 5 systems near or in deklein.

WTF

Exploration and Escalations are made for sov holders to stay in there cosy carebeare systems. So everyone can use his/her carebear dreadnought/carrier?

Risk means reward huh? A dangerous place?

Staying at home means danger?
Making it possible to blitz a fleetstaging point in a dread makes it more dangerous?


And again CCP got me im rageing about their marketing bla bla.

EVE = WOW with spaceships

Good Job CCP



I was running an escalation with an alt in pure blind and this ended up in VFK, well I thought that’s a write off will never get to complete that.
Flew into VFK and ran it under the noses of 50+ goons.

Most of them are deployed elsewhere and the ones that are still in VFK are mostly afk
Just deal with it or HTFU
Oh and link shiny in local on the way out Big smile



VFK isnt the problem its just that its always VFK. No Matter were you run any escalation in the region´s near deklein. The endpoint is always the same.
This makes no sense.
You're Mum
The New Eden Yacht Club
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#9 - 2014-04-22 14:26:51 UTC
Fleisch Lego wrote:
You're Mum wrote:
Fleisch Lego wrote:
Every ******* time i convince my self to do one of this worthless and time consuming sites. They ******* end in dekline? This whole mechanik just sucks. Its 4 ******* regions were you can start and you always end up in the same 5 systems near or in deklein.

WTF

Exploration and Escalations are made for sov holders to stay in there cosy carebeare systems. So everyone can use his/her carebear dreadnought/carrier?

Risk means reward huh? A dangerous place?

Staying at home means danger?
Making it possible to blitz a fleetstaging point in a dread makes it more dangerous?


And again CCP got me im rageing about their marketing bla bla.

EVE = WOW with spaceships

Good Job CCP



I was running an escalation with an alt in pure blind and this ended up in VFK, well I thought that’s a write off will never get to complete that.
Flew into VFK and ran it under the noses of 50+ goons.

Most of them are deployed elsewhere and the ones that are still in VFK are mostly afk
Just deal with it or HTFU
Oh and link shiny in local on the way out Big smile



VFK isnt the problem its just that its always VFK. No Matter were you run any escalation in the region´s near deklein. The endpoint is always the same.
This makes no sense.


grow sum ballz and run it anyways just be clever about it.
Not going to tell you how to do it as that wouldnt be as much fun for you.... im sure you will work it out. Blink

CCP’s song: 99 little bugs in the code, 99 little bugs, you take one down patch it around, 127 little bugs in the code
Gabriel Z
Krabulous
#10 - 2014-04-22 14:48:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Gabriel Z
You're Mum wrote:
stuff

So, your name, "you are mum"? Is that some sort of insult?
Fleisch Lego
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-04-22 14:58:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Fleisch Lego
Done

Game mechanics still suck.
You're Mum
The New Eden Yacht Club
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#12 - 2014-04-22 15:02:19 UTC  |  Edited by: You're Mum
Gabriel Z wrote:
You're Mum wrote:
stuff

blah blah blah


please try to stay on topic - i think its one of the rulez or sumfink Cool

CCP’s song: 99 little bugs in the code, 99 little bugs, you take one down patch it around, 127 little bugs in the code
Gabriel Z
Krabulous
#13 - 2014-04-22 16:54:56 UTC
You're Mum wrote:
Gabriel Z wrote:
You're Mum wrote:
stuff

blah blah blah


please try to stay on topic - i think its one of the rulez or sumfink Cool

so you screwed up on character creation. kk
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#14 - 2014-04-22 23:37:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Tauranon
Fleisch Lego wrote:
Every ******* time i convince my self to do one of this worthless and time consuming sites. They ******* end in dekline? This whole mechanik just sucks. Its 4 ******* regions were you can start and you always end up in the same 5 systems near or in deklein.

WTF

Exploration and Escalations are made for sov holders to stay in there cosy carebeare systems. So everyone can use his/her carebear dreadnought/carrier?

Risk means reward huh? A dangerous place?

Staying at home means danger?
Making it possible to blitz a fleetstaging point in a dread makes it more dangerous?


And again CCP got me im rageing about their marketing bla bla.

EVE = WOW with spaceships

Good Job CCP



Thus far I have triggered 26 escalations of various sorts from my system, and 100% of escalations have gone from Vale to Geminate. ie the way it actually works is that it tries to send you to nearest non blue if it can. Every time I've done a fleet staging post, it has selected one of the busiest systems in geminate to send the last stage to. Usually held by pizza or PL.

Yes you can game the system if you live in the middle of a blue ocean, but realistically if you let a giant blue blob hold a giant swathe of space, that's your fault, and not CCPs.
Alaric Faelen
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2014-04-23 00:11:47 UTC
All notions of taking sov without fighting other players is just care bear nonsense. They want every facet of Eve to revolve around PvE rather than interacting with other players.
You should have to take a system from it's owners, not run around trying to poach sov by not fighting. It was fought over....just not by you. If you want it, then fight for it.
This isn't FW, where the key gameplay is to warp stab and run from the first thing that shows up on D-Scan. You should not be able to 'plex' away sov other people actually fleeted up and fought to gain and defend.

Stop trying to get things for free and calling it good game play. Sov Null isn't about 'winning' by avoiding other players. You want sov, go hit an iHub and take your chances like everyone else.


Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#16 - 2014-04-23 00:49:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Tauranon
Alaric Faelen wrote:
All notions of taking sov without fighting other players is just care bear nonsense. They want every facet of Eve to revolve around PvE rather than interacting with other players.
You should have to take a system from it's owners, not run around trying to poach sov by not fighting. It was fought over....just not by you. If you want it, then fight for it.
This isn't FW, where the key gameplay is to warp stab and run from the first thing that shows up on D-Scan. You should not be able to 'plex' away sov other people actually fleeted up and fought to gain and defend.

Stop trying to get things for free and calling it good game play. Sov Null isn't about 'winning' by avoiding other players. You want sov, go hit an iHub and take your chances like everyone else.




That sounds dull to me.

Most of my day-to-day contention with other players comes from gypsies, and whilst I (in character) don't want them in my system, (out of character) recognise the game design necessity of being able to steal content. HInt : CCP view theft of nullsec content as critical game design issue that they are trying to increase frequency of, hence mobile depot, siphon and ESS, all intended to either give mobile players a leg up or let them steal stuff, and thats why exploration content always starts with a public signature, so that people may need to fight to get it.

ie they can and should be able to come get sov related things without holding it.
Fleisch Lego
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2014-04-23 06:29:44 UTC
Alaric Faelen wrote:
All notions of taking sov without fighting other players is just care bear nonsense. They want every facet of Eve to revolve around PvE rather than interacting with other players.
You should have to take a system from it's owners, not run around trying to poach sov by not fighting. It was fought over....just not by you. If you want it, then fight for it.
This isn't FW, where the key gameplay is to warp stab and run from the first thing that shows up on D-Scan. You should not be able to 'plex' away sov other people actually fleeted up and fought to gain and defend.

Stop trying to get things for free and calling it good game play. Sov Null isn't about 'winning' by avoiding other players. You want sov, go hit an iHub and take your chances like everyone else.




Well winning and keeping isn´t the same, normally.
In eve its way to easy to keep control over huge regions.

i mean come on, every direx gets a mail for every not alliance pos in the sov space.

I would love to see new eden burn again.

Back to topic:

All my escalation´s had fixed systems depending were i started. The last systems always been the same 5 in or near deklein.

But everything else was random, loot and so on.
Luwc
State War Academy
Caldari State
#18 - 2014-04-23 07:13:59 UTC
Fleisch Lego wrote:
Every ******* time i convince my self to do one of this worthless and time consuming sites. They ******* end in dekline? This whole mechanik just sucks. Its 4 ******* regions were you can start and you always end up in the same 5 systems near or in deklein.

WTF

Exploration and Escalations are made for sov holders to stay in there cosy carebeare systems. So everyone can use his/her carebear dreadnought/carrier?

Risk means reward huh? A dangerous place?

Staying at home means danger?
Making it possible to blitz a fleetstaging point in a dread makes it more dangerous?


And again CCP got me im rageing about their marketing bla bla.

EVE = WOW with spaceships

Good Job CCP




Ladies and Gentlemen,

I present to you Evoke and the reason why they failcascaded.

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Fleisch Lego
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2014-04-23 07:18:35 UTC
Luwc wrote:
Fleisch Lego wrote:
Every ******* time i convince my self to do one of this worthless and time consuming sites. They ******* end in dekline? This whole mechanik just sucks. Its 4 ******* regions were you can start and you always end up in the same 5 systems near or in deklein.

WTF

Exploration and Escalations are made for sov holders to stay in there cosy carebeare systems. So everyone can use his/her carebear dreadnought/carrier?

Risk means reward huh? A dangerous place?

Staying at home means danger?
Making it possible to blitz a fleetstaging point in a dread makes it more dangerous?


And again CCP got me im rageing about their marketing bla bla.

EVE = WOW with spaceships

Good Job CCP




Ladies and Gentlemen,

I present to you Evoke and the reason why they failcascaded.


we disbanded 4 years ago
Fleisch Lego
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2014-04-23 10:25:10 UTC
Thank you CCP Big smileBig smileBig smile
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