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Bob ran
Optimistic Wasteland Inc.
Fraternity.
#1 - 2014-04-13 22:58:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Bob ran
Hi

I am after a 10b loan with an interest of 10%. The loan will be for two months with the option of continuing the loan. I lack anything that could be used as collateral


My business is region trading. The particular area of the market i trade in has been a reliable source of income for some time. I already have a fair sized working capital available that's approx 3 times the requested loan gained from my area of trading items between the different regions of high sec. Due to this existing working capital there will be no issue paying interest even if a loss occurs.


Interested will be calculated based on isk transfer date and will be paid out every month either on that date or a point within a week before.

The principal can be returned early. The time for this to occur depends on the size of isk to repaid with 1b or less being able to be paid as soon as i receive the request and 48 Hours above this.



In addition to the offered interest rate of 10% there be and additional payment that will depend on the level of isk i make. This bonus interest payment will be within the area of 1% to 10%. This payment will occur if monthly profits exceed what i have min expected profits.

I can provide API to prove cash flow
Nedly Stark
ARAZ Engineering
#2 - 2014-04-14 09:14:01 UTC
you serious bro

your first loan and you are going for 10b? Might I recommend starting smaller, MUCH smaller. Try 500 million and you might get some bites from yoloinvestors such as I LIKE IT.
Bob ran
Optimistic Wasteland Inc.
Fraternity.
#3 - 2014-04-14 09:37:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Bob ran
What would be the point in 500m i already more than that invest from my corp and 60 times that of my own assets


And i rather have the 10b split among several players. Though it would be pointless to ask for several separate 500m loans





The return will always be above 10% but the monthly return i send is calculated by (Profits/isk used)* investors isk *0.75


So 9b profits with 40b isk with each investor giving 1b or 500m gives them 170m or 85m isk respectively a month


profits are expected between 6 and 9b a month with potential if im lucky to be 15b monthly profits.
Cavalira
Habemus
#4 - 2014-04-14 11:51:23 UTC
So you're in a CVA friendly corporation that's OK with the fact that you don't do anything besides trading?
Bob ran
Optimistic Wasteland Inc.
Fraternity.
#5 - 2014-04-14 12:46:41 UTC
Trading is simply the way i make my isk.
flakeys
Doomheim
#6 - 2014-04-14 15:16:24 UTC
I once gave BoB isk , then BoB Ran ..... Lol

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Drago Nace
Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-04-14 16:05:29 UTC
Bob ran wrote:
Hi

I am after a 10b loan with an interest of 10%. The loan will be for two months with the option of continuing the loan. I lack anything that could be used as collateral


My business is region trading. The particular area of the market i trade in has been a reliable source of income for some time. I already have a fair sized working capital available that's approx 3 times the requested loan gained from my area of trading items between the different regions of high sec. Due to this existing working capital there will be no issue paying interest even if a loss occurs.


Interested will be calculated based on isk transfer date and will be paid out every month either on that date or a point within a week before.

The principal can be returned early. The time for this to occur depends on the size of isk to repaid with 1b or less being able to be paid as soon as i receive the request and 48 Hours above this.



In addition to the offered interest rate of 10% there be and additional payment that will depend on the level of isk i make. This bonus interest payment will be within the area of 1% to 10%. This payment will occur if monthly profits exceed what i have min expected profits.

I can provide API to prove cash flow



Hmm... as tempting as your offer is, I have a couple questions.

How is it possible that you have 30b+ in capital and assets, yet have absolutely nothing that could be used as collateral?

Why would you need an additional 10b in isk from investors when you have billions of liquid isk of your own at your disposal? (Per your quote of 1b being returnable to the investor within 48 hours.)

Please help us understand why you want or need our isk, when it seems you have plenty of your own billions that are not being fully utilized.
Bob ran
Optimistic Wasteland Inc.
Fraternity.
#8 - 2014-04-14 16:39:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Bob ran
Drago Nace wrote:
Bob ran wrote:
Hi

I am after a 10b loan with an interest of 10%. The loan will be for two months with the option of continuing the loan. I lack anything that could be used as collateral


My business is region trading. The particular area of the market i trade in has been a reliable source of income for some time. I already have a fair sized working capital available that's approx 3 times the requested loan gained from my area of trading items between the different regions of high sec. Due to this existing working capital there will be no issue paying interest even if a loss occurs.


Interested will be calculated based on isk transfer date and will be paid out every month either on that date or a point within a week before.

The principal can be returned early. The time for this to occur depends on the size of isk to repaid with 1b or less being able to be paid as soon as i receive the request and 48 Hours above this.



In addition to the offered interest rate of 10% there be and additional payment that will depend on the level of isk i make. This bonus interest payment will be within the area of 1% to 10%. This payment will occur if monthly profits exceed what i have min expected profits.

I can provide API to prove cash flow



Hmm... as tempting as your offer is, I have a couple questions.

How is it possible that you have 30b+ in capital and assets, yet have absolutely nothing that could be used as collateral?

Why would you need an additional 10b in isk from investors when you have billions of liquid isk of your own at your disposal? (Per your quote of 1b being returnable to the investor within 48 hours.)

Please help us understand why you want or need our isk, when it seems you have plenty of your own billions that are not being fully utilized.


90% is assets and 10% isk in escrow and isk. All i potential have is t1 bc blueprint (prophecy) a corp mate is holding for me in null and freighter i dont use

Apart from the freighter (in perm ) and the bpo, i have a bs and a t2 indy ship both in null. 40m implant and maybe another 200m of stuff in null
Im happy to use those as collateral but lack enough cover the hole 10b. The rest is what i trade in and are simply awaiting transport.

These leads on the main reason for the need for 10b loan

The main purpose of the loan is to improve the flow of my trading. My trading activities cover most of the high regions. so often i buy stacks that are to small on there own to be worth while to move. Thus i need to wait for them to accumulate


at the moment all my isk being utilized, infact i am often running out and having to shut down to replenish isk buffers. These buffers tends to last a few days before ive bought another 10b of assets.


i can return the isk under 1b straight away as i try to keep a buffer of 5b at all times to avoid my orders failing and lossing 10% of the value of the trade. Over that need 48 hours to return as i can simply set up less orders so i have the isk ready or take special measures to get the assets sold
Drago Nace
Perkone
Caldari State
#9 - 2014-04-14 17:27:05 UTC
Bob ran wrote:
Drago Nace wrote:
Bob ran wrote:
Hi

I am after a 10b loan with an interest of 10%. The loan will be for two months with the option of continuing the loan. I lack anything that could be used as collateral


My business is region trading. The particular area of the market i trade in has been a reliable source of income for some time. I already have a fair sized working capital available that's approx 3 times the requested loan gained from my area of trading items between the different regions of high sec. Due to this existing working capital there will be no issue paying interest even if a loss occurs.


Interested will be calculated based on isk transfer date and will be paid out every month either on that date or a point within a week before.

The principal can be returned early. The time for this to occur depends on the size of isk to repaid with 1b or less being able to be paid as soon as i receive the request and 48 Hours above this.



In addition to the offered interest rate of 10% there be and additional payment that will depend on the level of isk i make. This bonus interest payment will be within the area of 1% to 10%. This payment will occur if monthly profits exceed what i have min expected profits.

I can provide API to prove cash flow



Hmm... as tempting as your offer is, I have a couple questions.

How is it possible that you have 30b+ in capital and assets, yet have absolutely nothing that could be used as collateral?

Why would you need an additional 10b in isk from investors when you have billions of liquid isk of your own at your disposal? (Per your quote of 1b being returnable to the investor within 48 hours.)

Please help us understand why you want or need our isk, when it seems you have plenty of your own billions that are not being fully utilized.


90% is assets and 10% isk in escrow and isk. All i potential have is t1 bc blueprint a corp mate is holding for me in null and freighter i dont use

Apart from the freighter (in perm ) and the bpo i a bs and a t2 indy ship both in null. 40m implant and maybe another 200m of stuff in null
Im happy to use those as collateral but lack enough cover the hole 10b. The rest is what i trade in and are simply awaiting transport.

These leads on the main reason for the need for 10b loan

The main purpose of the loan is to improve the flow of my trading. My trading activities cover most of the high regions. so often i buy stacks that are to small on there own to be worth while to move. Thus i need to wait for them to accumulate


at the moment all my isk being utilized, infact i am often running out and having to shut down to replenish isk buffers. These buffers tends to last a few days before ive bought another 10b of assets.


i can return the isk under 1b straight away as i try to keep a buffer of 5b at all times to avoid my orders failing and lossing 10% of the value of the trade. Over that need 48 hours to return as i can simply set up less orders so i have the isk ready or take special measures to get the assets sold


Thanks for the follow-up. That gives us a bit more information to process in making the decision if you would make a good investment.
Nedly Stark
ARAZ Engineering
#10 - 2014-04-14 18:25:32 UTC
flakeys wrote:
I once gave BoB isk , then BoB Ran ..... Lol
Myriad Blaze
Common Sense Ltd
Nulli Secunda
#11 - 2014-04-14 20:08:27 UTC
Bob ran wrote:
Drago Nace wrote:
Bob ran wrote:
Hi

I am after a 10b loan with an interest of 10%. The loan will be for two months with the option of continuing the loan. I lack anything that could be used as collateral


My business is region trading. The particular area of the market i trade in has been a reliable source of income for some time. I already have a fair sized working capital available that's approx 3 times the requested loan gained from my area of trading items between the different regions of high sec. Due to this existing working capital there will be no issue paying interest even if a loss occurs.


Interested will be calculated based on isk transfer date and will be paid out every month either on that date or a point within a week before.

The principal can be returned early. The time for this to occur depends on the size of isk to repaid with 1b or less being able to be paid as soon as i receive the request and 48 Hours above this.



In addition to the offered interest rate of 10% there be and additional payment that will depend on the level of isk i make. This bonus interest payment will be within the area of 1% to 10%. This payment will occur if monthly profits exceed what i have min expected profits.

I can provide API to prove cash flow



Hmm... as tempting as your offer is, I have a couple questions.

How is it possible that you have 30b+ in capital and assets, yet have absolutely nothing that could be used as collateral?

Why would you need an additional 10b in isk from investors when you have billions of liquid isk of your own at your disposal? (Per your quote of 1b being returnable to the investor within 48 hours.)

Please help us understand why you want or need our isk, when it seems you have plenty of your own billions that are not being fully utilized.


90% is assets and 10% isk in escrow and isk. All i potential have is t1 bc blueprint (prophecy) a corp mate is holding for me in null and freighter i dont use

Apart from the freighter (in perm ) and the bpo, i have a bs and a t2 indy ship both in null. 40m implant and maybe another 200m of stuff in null
Im happy to use those as collateral but lack enough cover the hole 10b. The rest is what i trade in and are simply awaiting transport.

These leads on the main reason for the need for 10b loan

The main purpose of the loan is to improve the flow of my trading. My trading activities cover most of the high regions. so often i buy stacks that are to small on there own to be worth while to move. Thus i need to wait for them to accumulate


at the moment all my isk being utilized, infact i am often running out and having to shut down to replenish isk buffers. These buffers tends to last a few days before ive bought another 10b of assets.


i can return the isk under 1b straight away as i try to keep a buffer of 5b at all times to avoid my orders failing and lossing 10% of the value of the trade. Over that need 48 hours to return as i can simply set up less orders so i have the isk ready or take special measures to get the assets sold

If you are interested and if we can agree on the value of your freighter used for collateral I'd be willing to loan you what the freighter is worth. Add your Proph BPO and we might end up at 1.6Bn or so.

To gauge the value I would need to know the exact location (best value if docked in Amarr or Jita) and the type of the freighter.
Bob ran
Optimistic Wasteland Inc.
Fraternity.
#12 - 2014-04-14 20:42:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Bob ran
was in system next to jita but ive decided to sell it would be best to sell as interest of first month alone woudl be twice isk loss from re-buying it in the future


Also got furtehr corp investment

Therefore, the total has been reduced as 4b has already been source.s
Myriad Blaze
Common Sense Ltd
Nulli Secunda
#13 - 2014-04-14 21:02:14 UTC
Bob ran wrote:
ive decided to sell it would be best to sell as interest of first month alone woudl be twice isk loss from re-buying it in the future

Well, I would have accepted your original interest rates, no questions asked, of course. Twisted
But tbh, considering that I only offered a collateralized loan I fully expected that you would change the terms and lower the monthly interest to reflect that.
Maybe another time then ... good luck with your trades. Cool
Bob ran
Optimistic Wasteland Inc.
Fraternity.
#14 - 2014-04-14 21:27:05 UTC
worked out any interest would pretty much been equal the loss from quick sell in jita. And wouldn't surprised if i actually made a profit from when it was bought. What happened to the freighter i had before it
Johm Luck
Perkone
Caldari State
#15 - 2014-04-14 22:50:13 UTC
So much trouble to increase your capital by only 1/3?
Bob ran
Optimistic Wasteland Inc.
Fraternity.
#16 - 2014-04-15 19:04:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Bob ran
Less effort than the pain of making loads of 50m collateral courier contracts. Knew it was bit of along shot but felt like trying. Personal im not surprised as i my self had 5b isk worth of stuff stolen

So far i have 4.5b isk invested from fellow corp members.
Darth Alavon
#17 - 2014-04-18 09:30:26 UTC
Nedly Stark wrote:
flakeys wrote:
I once gave BoB isk , then BoB Ran ..... Lol



if thats true, how hasn't it killed this request.
Bob ran
Optimistic Wasteland Inc.
Fraternity.
#18 - 2014-04-21 11:33:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Bob ran
Darth Alavon wrote:
Nedly Stark wrote:
flakeys wrote:
I once gave BoB isk , then BoB Ran ..... Lol



if thats true, how hasn't it killed this request.


Because its not related to me. Im guessing its something to with Band of Brothers also Know as BoB and its play on names

So far

4.5b isk from 4 corp investors
1b in from one blue investor
3b raised gainefrom my own activities in meantime


So only 3b of the loan is left
flakeys
Doomheim
#19 - 2014-04-21 14:13:10 UTC
Bob ran wrote:
Darth Alavon wrote:
Nedly Stark wrote:
flakeys wrote:
I once gave BoB isk , then BoB Ran ..... Lol



if thats true, how hasn't it killed this request.


Because its not related to me. Im guessing its something to with Band of Brothers also Know as BoB and its play on names

So far

4.5b isk from 4 corp investors
1b in from one blue investor
3b raised gainefrom my own activities in meantime


So only 3b of the loan is left



Your name IS bob ran ... insert namejoke '' then bob ran ''

... , am i even explaining this ? Shocked

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Bob ran
Optimistic Wasteland Inc.
Fraternity.
#20 - 2014-04-21 15:43:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Bob ran
flakeys wrote:
Bob ran wrote:
Darth Alavon wrote:
Nedly Stark wrote:
flakeys wrote:
I once gave BoB isk , then BoB Ran ..... Lol



if thats true, how hasn't it killed this request.


Because its not related to me. Im guessing its something to with Band of Brothers also Know as BoB and its play on names

So far

4.5b isk from 4 corp investors
1b in from one blue investor
3b raised gainefrom my own activities in meantime


So only 3b of the loan is left



Your name IS bob ran ... insert namejoke '' then bob ran ''

... , am i even explaining this ? Shocked



Thought as much but hadto make sure it was clear to others that might not get it was just an attempt at a joke by you. Even If I still wouldn't get any extra investment.

Besides the name was never meant to be serous so its not a mistake when making it
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