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CCP take heed: the BIG error/omission in Crucible

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xxxak
Perkone
Caldari State
#21 - 2011-12-01 20:15:23 UTC
Actually, I am saying that for really big blobs (which I have participated in about 100 times) rails may actually be OK, because total aggregate alpha is so high all that matters is lag and your FC.

It's midsize and smallish "blobs" where rails still suck terribly.

[u]The nerfs to supercaps will cause more super pilots to join the largest alliances who can properly "support" their deployment, further concentrating firepower/wealth in EVE. The end result will be fewer "fun" fights, and will hurt EVE in the long run.[/u]
Forum Fighter
Doomheim
#22 - 2011-12-01 20:19:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Forum Fighter
Not all ships are meant for/ used in pvp fleets bro. I know it might seem like it lately, but not all patches/ updates/ fixes are geared towards null sec sov holders.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#23 - 2011-12-01 20:22:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
I also think that you are overlooking that fact that while rails may be able to hit well beyond the 150k mark with long range ammo (which may have only occasional use) if your fleet is operating within the 150k mark as is the norm the rail pilots can easily use shorter range (and higher damaging) ammo than the rest of the fleet. Everybody else is still stuck using their longest range ammo (if they are in range at all) while the rail pilot happily plinks away with his mid/short range higher damage ammo types.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#24 - 2011-12-01 20:34:42 UTC
The only reason I am not using rails right now is because I dont have them trained. After next week I will be running around in all sorts of rail ships I am just itching to try.

I already use blaster boats and the buffs have mad me one of the happiest pilots in New Eden.
xxxak
Perkone
Caldari State
#25 - 2011-12-01 20:36:30 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
I also think that you are overlooking that fact that while rails may be able to hit well beyond the 150k mark with long range ammo (which may have only occasional use) if your fleet is operating within the 150k mark as is the norm the rail pilots can easily use shorter range (and higher damaging) ammo than the rest of the fleet. Everybody else is still stuck using their longest range ammo (if they are in range at all) while the rail pilot happily plinks away with his mid/short range higher damage ammo types.


Still lower alpha and still fairly low/lowest over all DPS.

[u]The nerfs to supercaps will cause more super pilots to join the largest alliances who can properly "support" their deployment, further concentrating firepower/wealth in EVE. The end result will be fewer "fun" fights, and will hurt EVE in the long run.[/u]
xxxak
Perkone
Caldari State
#26 - 2011-12-01 20:37:05 UTC
Forum Fighter wrote:
Not all ships are meant for/ used in pvp fleets bro. I know it might seem like it lately, but not all patches/ updates/ fixes are geared towards null sec sov holders.


So you are saying that 90% of Gallente ships are for PvE only? What about 50% of Caldari ships?

[u]The nerfs to supercaps will cause more super pilots to join the largest alliances who can properly "support" their deployment, further concentrating firepower/wealth in EVE. The end result will be fewer "fun" fights, and will hurt EVE in the long run.[/u]
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#27 - 2011-12-01 20:41:03 UTC
My worst poster title revoked? :( now I am sad.

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xxxak
Perkone
Caldari State
#28 - 2011-12-01 20:41:59 UTC  |  Edited by: xxxak
TIPPIA CALL OUT:

Tippia, I think you are in need of a callout. Please explain this post you made recently:

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The torp version was downright silly, and the Caldari need more hybrid ships anyway. Also, Mini-Rokh for those of us who will never fly battleships = win!


Are you saying that you don't even fly BS? Yet you comment on every BS/Blob/Cap thread in the game?

Also, who is your main? http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Tippia#kills

40 kills in 5 years?

Also, your corp loss board looks like a T1 Frig/Cruiser fest.

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=corp&name=Raddick+Explorations#losses

Jesus, who ARE you?

[u]The nerfs to supercaps will cause more super pilots to join the largest alliances who can properly "support" their deployment, further concentrating firepower/wealth in EVE. The end result will be fewer "fun" fights, and will hurt EVE in the long run.[/u]
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#29 - 2011-12-01 20:43:57 UTC
xxxak wrote:
TIPPIA CALL OUT:

Tippia, I think you are in need of a callout. Please explain this post you made recently:

Quote:
The torp version was downright silly, and the Caldari need more hybrid ships anyway. Also, Mini-Rokh for those of us who will never fly battleships = win!


Are you saying that you don't even fly BS? Yet you comment on every BS/Blob/Cap thread in the game?


The nova looks like a baby rokh
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#30 - 2011-12-01 21:11:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
xxxak wrote:
You didn't answer my question. Why don't they need it?
Because there are other ways of delivering tons of damage than through alpha.
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Finally, I thought about it more, and Time Dilation won't change a thing. With the current servers, fleets of 2/300 vs 2/300 work just fine on most nodes/situations.
It will change things: all of the guns will cycle properly, so having a fleet full of alpha ships will mean that half (or whatever) of the damage output of that fleet is wasted on overdamaging an already killed ship. It means damage can be applied reliably, even if it's from fast-RoF/low-damage weapons because those weapons will not have to be cycled manually and stall half the time. As i thappens, fasr-RoF/low-damage is just what the doctor ordered for avoiding overkill and wasting damage.
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I think you are in need of a callout. Please explain this post you made recently:
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The torp version was downright silly, and the Caldari need more hybrid ships anyway. Also, Mini-Rokh for those of us who will never fly battleships = win!
What do you need explained?
The quite obviously Caldari need more hybrid ships to make people understand that they're not just about missiles.
The Naga is a mini-Rokh — it has the same fitting style as the Rokh, except it also follows the Tier-3 mantra of glass cannons (but the Rokh is fairly glass:y as it is, so that doesn't really detract from the comparison). You can't stop the Rokh, and the Naga shares elements of that freight-train look… P

Oh, and the torp version was downright silly because it could deliver damage from a cruiser-sized (and cruiser-fast) BC that would make some pirate battleships green with envy.
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Are you saying that you don't even fly BS? Yet you comment on every BS/Blob/Cap thread in the game?
Of course not. Battleships are for sissies. And yes, I comment on a few threads on the forums. Why do you ask?
xxxak
Perkone
Caldari State
#31 - 2011-12-01 21:24:14 UTC  |  Edited by: xxxak
Tippia wrote:
xxxak wrote:
You didn't answer my question. Why don't they need it?
Because there are other ways of delivering tons of damage than through alpha.
...
Oh, and the torp version was downright silly because it could deliver damage from a cruiser-sized (and cruiser-fast) BC that would make some pirate battleships green with envy.
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Are you saying that you don't even fly BS? Yet you comment on every BS/Blob/Cap thread in the game?
Of course not. Battleships are for sissies. And yes, I comment on a few threads on the forums. Why do you ask?


Confirming that you don't fly battleships yet comment on every BS/Cap/Blob warfare thread I have ever seen.

Sweet. Thx.

[u]The nerfs to supercaps will cause more super pilots to join the largest alliances who can properly "support" their deployment, further concentrating firepower/wealth in EVE. The end result will be fewer "fun" fights, and will hurt EVE in the long run.[/u]
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#32 - 2011-12-01 23:40:08 UTC
Okay xxxak, I'll bite.

Rails need another buff, in my opinion. So I guess I agree with you there.

Also, you're very annoying. Please stop posting.

Katrina Oniseki
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#33 - 2011-12-01 23:47:00 UTC
Dradius Calvantia wrote:
When you are talking about simply trowing as many numbers as you can at a problem while ignoring any kind of tactics


Will people stop parroting this bullshit? Losing 200 T1 battleships is costly for alliances, about the same as losing 2-3 supercarriers. Not anybody can simply hop up and FC a large fleet.

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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#34 - 2011-12-02 00:42:11 UTC
200 T1 battleships?

You could feed all of Venral with that.

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CCP Spitfire
C C P
C C P Alliance
#35 - 2011-12-03 11:01:15 UTC
Moved from "EVE General Discussion".

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