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Combat Barge - The Experiment

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DrysonBennington
Eagle's Talon's
#1 - 2014-04-19 19:06:47 UTC
Miners definitely need a combat dedicated barge to keep the Suicides at bay. Suicides are gankers.

The Combat Barge would come with a built in Asteroid Probe Scanner that would be accessible from the Scanner HUD. The Asteroid Scanner would require an additional skill to use it where the returned scan results, the composition of the asteroid, ice or gas cloud would be increased by 20% per level of the skill learned.

The On Board Probe Scanner Skill would not be required to pilot the ship however.

The Combat Barge would come in three hull sizes.

Small Combat Barge - Four high slots ( 1 strip mining laser or four mining lasers, one strip mining lasers and three medium sized mounted weapons.)

Four medium slots and three low slots + three rig slots 25 m/3 drone hold, 8,000 m/3 ore hold and 150 m/3 cargo hold
Base shield HP - 3500, Armor 1500, hull - who cares once your into hull your done.

Medium Combat Barge - Six high slots ( 2 strip mining lasers or six mining lasers, two 2 strip mining lasers and four medium sized mounted weapons.)

Three Medium slots and three low slots + three rig slots 25 m/3 drone hold, 15,000 m/3 ore hold and 100 m/3 cargo hold
Base shield HP - 2500, Armor 1000, hull - who cares once your into hull your done.

Large Combat Barge - Seven high slots ( 3 strip mining lasers or seven strip mining lasers, three strip mining lasers and four medium sized mounted weapons.)

Two medium slots and two low slots + two rig slots and 75 m/3 drone hold, 20,000 m/3 ore hold and 50 m/3 cargo hold
Base shield HP - 4500, Armor 1000, hull - who cares once your into hull your done.

Ship bonuses per level:

Small Combat Barge : 5% effective scanning range of the onboard scanner, 2% combat drones damage, 2% mining drone yield and 2% Shield Resistance and 5% ore cargo hold volume expansion

Medium Combat Barge : 5% effective scanning range of the onboard scanner, 3% combat drones damage, 3% mining drone yield and 3% Shield Resistance, 2% fitted weapon damage and 3% ore hold volume expansion

Medium Combat Barge : 5% combat drones damage, 5% mining drone yield and 5% Shield Resistance, 5% fitted weapon damage and 5% ore hold volume expansion

Quote:
Do miners care about the emotions of Suicides? Not one bit. We care about our ships and nothing more.



Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#2 - 2014-04-19 19:17:44 UTC
what the hell...?

have u seen a skiff? and the coming changes its getting?

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs

Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#3 - 2014-04-19 20:07:40 UTC
*sigh*

Dryson. What are you doing? Do you even know? Does anyone know?
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2014-04-19 21:08:35 UTC
No need for combat barges I think, maybe if miners want combat support then an ORE mining link bonused Battlecruiser would be useful. Then the pilot chooses between full on combat fit, mining support with links but less combat utility with drones (compromised effectiveness though as the fitting slots would be took up with links etc), or a fit somewhere between. A barge should remain for mining and the orca is already the support ship, ORE BC would fit between the two.
Rowells
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2014-04-19 21:13:19 UTC
not gonna comment on the idea itself, but what you are suggesting right now is tiers, which we are trying to get rid of.
Kasife Vynneve
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2014-04-20 02:06:19 UTC
Strategic ORE Industrial. Variable fitting option to cater for anything you want from semi combat capble miner to cloaky ninja mercoxit miner.
DrysonBennington
Eagle's Talon's
#7 - 2014-04-20 03:18:55 UTC
Change is always good for the industry because it provides new advantages for the young. Only the old hate changes because it means they have to learn something new.
Rowells
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2014-04-20 03:24:19 UTC
DrysonBennington wrote:
Change is always good for the industry because it provides new advantages for the young. Only the old hate changes because it means they have to learn something new.

Thus we have the advantages of being in the middle age (not RL age, just Eve). Best of both worlds
DrysonBennington
Eagle's Talon's
#9 - 2014-04-20 03:27:14 UTC
We also have to look at creating a new benefit for young pilots to aspire towards while we talk about the "good old days" so the young can then say "we are the young and we have a new job to do."

Part of being grown up whether a parent or not is to make certain that the young always have advantages or paths to advantages that we never did.
Cassandra Aurilien
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2014-04-20 03:56:54 UTC
Tiers are bad. They went away for a reason.

Also... For your stated purpose... The Skiff works better. More EHP. After the coming rebalance, It would probably be able to kill any of these in a 1v1 as well, quite easily. These designs don't have enough slots for damage mods or proper tank in comparison.

As a side note, I have trouble taking seriously anyone who completely discounts hull EHP, as "if you are in hull, you're dead". With a damage control fitted, hull EHP is nothing to sneeze at. If memory serves, the current Skiff when fitted with a DC2 has over 18,000 EHP from the hull alone.

And then, throwing in a bonus which would apparently double the size of asteroids as well? Sigh.
Endovior
PFU Consortium
#11 - 2014-04-20 04:17:05 UTC
This is a silly idea.

If a proposed 'combat miner' is more effective as a miner than a dedicated noncombat miner, than it's overpowered. If not, than the bulk of miners will disregard it in favor of optimal isk/hour (and will continue to be ganked occasionally for their troubles).

Now, it'd be interesting if some of the barges got a few extra hislots for fitting weapons, but if those slots are extra turret slots, they'll probably be filled with extra mining lasers, negating the point of the exercise. Some people just don't learn.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#12 - 2014-04-20 04:56:09 UTC
Endovior wrote:
Now, it'd be interesting if some of the barges got a few extra hislots for fitting weapons, but if those slots are extra turret slots, they'll probably be filled with extra mining lasers, negating the point of the exercise. Some people just don't learn.

The Procurer and Skiff are soon going to be buffed with the same drone damage/hp bonus that combat droneboats get (50%)... though with a relatively smaller drone bay.

Right now it is already possible for both ships to kill frigates (provided they can get web and scram)... but with the coming changes it will be possible to easily field 200 to 300+ dps on top of their battlecruiser+ tanks.
Sean Parisi
Blackrise Vanguard
#13 - 2014-04-20 12:41:45 UTC
Isnt it called a procurer :p