EVE General Discussion

Troll Death Match?

I'm down with that.

EvE is a game with PvP, yes. It's also a game with PvE, making it a PvE game. It's a PvE game, It's a PvP game, and it's many other games as well. That's one of the things that makes EvE "worth a damn". Is the potential appeal for a wide array of people.

"It's a sandbox"

... some bright spark in the back pipes up, EVE is a sandbox, so I should be able to do whatever I want. EVE is indeed a sandbox, however it is a Multiplayer Sandbox. The definition of a sandbox is not "I can do whatever I want", it is that rather than providing a specific experience, the game provides an environment and tools with which to craft your own experience. For single-player games, these definitions are functionally the same. The problem with a multiplayer sandbox is that not only can you do whatever you want, so can everyone else. You want to mine in highsec in complete peace? The game lets you. It's the other players that are the problem.

The hypocrisy of demanding the freedom to do what you like, while simultaneously demanding or celebrating the curtailment of other people's playstyles should be self-evident, but apparently it's not.

"EVE isn't a PvP game"

Yes, it really is. Being, as it is, a multiplayer sandbox, it is a shared environment which we all inhabit together and all affect. For any of it to be non-PvP (or close to), all of it would have to be non-PvP. Even if CCP made it so it was impossible to blow up spaceships in highsec, highsec would still affect the rest of the game just by being there. As long as we are all playing the same game, the guy in the corner mining endlessly has an effect on the guys fighting a war in the other corner. And so, requests to be able to act with impunity will be not be received well by those who actually understand the game.

"But people want PvE"

If people really want PvE, they are in the wrong game. End of story. But there is a positive feedback loop here. Carebears join a harsh PvP game. Carebears whine en masse (in the way that only carebears can whine) that there is harshness and PvP in this harsh PvP game. CCP tone down the harshness, and reduce the PvP opportunities. Being a more 'accessible' game, more carebears join. The whining gets louder. More nerfs. It goes on and on in a never ending cycle, eventually leading to PvP being marginalised in the areas carebears inhabit.

In this way they not only impact other people's playstyles, but also change the fundamental nature of the game, all the while whining about how everyone should be able to play however they want. And the worst part is that game like EVE are in the minority, and yet carebears insist on coming here and trying to convert it into one of their massively singleplayer games.

If it were to be a troll death match, it would have to be you and kaarous.

So with the opposition to an Ultra-Sec no longer choosing to voice their opinions against it's implementation, the only logical step to take now would be for CCP to convert 19 high security systems into "Ultra-Sec"?

I will support this "ultra-sec," assuming CCP implements an "enlightened pimping zone" (with that precise name) in Jita and the surrounding systems. We have, after all, come to an agreement that Eve is in fact a pimping game? So CCP should thoroughly support this facet of the sandbox.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdd6_ZxX8c

I've gone through the entirety of this thread and not once have I engaged in trolling.

"Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote."

I've done no such thing, which makes your label of me disrespectful in the sense that it's a bold faced lie.

Being disrespectful could be interpreted as attempting to elicit an emotional response, which is what you and kaarous are doing.
Kaarous especially when he insults the intelligence of people he disagrees with.

Yes it's his opinion, it's also CCPs as far as I know.

No need to disprove it, the gameplay does that every single day.

The gameplay of people falling into bottomless pits in Super Mario Brothers proves that it's a spelunking game, every single day.

The funny thing is that it does.