Missions & Complexes

Did a check again:
26.2 AU warp with 0 speed at start until drop out (all ships T1), no warp speed or align time mods.
Battleship = 67s (current Machariel)
Cruiser = 44s (current Cynabal)
Destroyer = 33s (Thrasher)
Frigate = 26s (current Dramiel)

The coming Machariel will cut off
~ 34% time vs any other T1 BS without any mods (Cruiser Warp speed)
~ 50% time vs any other T1 BS with a full high grade Ascendancy (Destroyer warp speed)
~ 61% time vs any other T1 BS with a low high grade Ascendancy + 1x Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II (Frigate warp speed)

Consider how many missions you are doing in 1 hour when you are blitzing. At average you will need 1x jump, roughly 50AU to get to your mission, totalling 100AU to get back to your home station. Lets say you are blitzing 8 missions per hour.

Warp time for 100AU
Battleship ~ 255s
Destroyer 50% cut off = 127.5s, time needed 127.5s
Frigate 61% cut off ~ 155s, time needed 100s.

8 missions per hour
Battleship warp time = 2040s, 34min
Destroyer warp time = 1020s, 17min
Frigate warp time = 800s, ~13min


Best case you can shave off roughly 20min warp time that you aren't wasting. I call that significant.
Even if my numbers aren't correct cut 25% of the 100AU and only 6 missions per hour you will still spare 10min every hour you aren't wasting in warp.

I understand that. However if you lose 1 sentry, your damage is halved until you deploy a replacement drone; and that is if you were smart to have extras of that type and don't be stupid and carry only 2 of each type (which some will prolly do). With only 2 sentries, you will really have to be on top of your drone management even moreso than people were with 5. I really don't see how a Rattlesnake can be justified now over a Domi.

The drones the Rattlesnake )and the other 2 gurista ships) will put out are 'super' drones. Sentries launched from a rattlesnake will have about as much EHP as a CRUISER lol. A small remote rep will be all anyone needs to keep those sentries alive in just about every pve scenario short of full aggro in a DED 10/10 or lvl 5 mission.

(And ti goes without saying, anyone who knows how to keep aggro off their drones in the 1st place understand how good the new Snake will be).

Kinetic or thermal missiles fired from a 'Snake will be bonused. ANY missile, meaning you can put rapid light missiles on it and as long as they are kin or therm, they get the bonus. And the snake is getting an extra missile launcher.

End result is that the Rattlesnake is turing into a sub-capital pve beast the likes of which hasn't been seen in EVE (with the possible exception of the marauders).

That being said, anyone who thinks their Rattlesnake is now worthless can contract that sucker to me, I'll take it off your hands, no charge. Because I'm nice like that.

actually no 3.75 times is more like it if i understand the boni correct :P

so stop shooting angels...?

1) It hits non elites just fine.
2) Setting aside 1) above, thankfully she has 750 drone DPS (or more, with faction mods coming) to blap stuff with.
2b) Or precision cruises.
2c) Or just fit RHML and leave the drones to do the heavy lifting, but that's a little wasteful.
3) Two painters is quite sufficient.

Not the same in PvP, but given where you are posting, well...one must assume PvE.


When it comes to PvE, this new rattlesnake is nothing short of an absolute machine. I've flown with a friend in a fleet typhoon sporting something like 1300-1500 dps and it goes through PvE content like a vengeful god, you've never seen the likes before. This new rattler will have even more damage and the stupid tank. The only thing keeping that typhoon in check is the tank is a little flimsy, not so with the new rattlesnake.


I'm a Mach/Vargur pilot and believe me when I tell you this thing is going to be a monster, they've probably (slightly) overdone the buffs imo.

But that's just a PvE viewpoint - easily predictable and not massively relevant. I cant predict its activity/performance in PvP. In theory it's a nice hull but the mass/speed might hurt it too much.

Yes really.

Also, rig it, plus you dont need the full 100% damage to blap NPC cruisers. Plus missile pilots usually have GMP implants, you can get fury down under 300. With the high damage of fury, it's plenty strong enough to annihilate them.

You'd see the occasional leaker, usually painters in falloff/NPCs burning but drones pretty much one shot those leftover (and there aren't many).


It was a bigger problem before but cruises got massive, massive buffs - more than enough to offset the damage loss in PvE terms. Besides, the rattler can blap cruisers with drones no problems and turn the full firepower to bigger stuff as required and believe me it'll melt things wholesale. Missiles aren't what they were a few years ago in PvE.

I've seen people rave about the likes of the fleet phoon here but having seen it myself...wow. The new rattler is basically that on steroids.

lol even a pirate BS thread about the machariel can not escape rattlesnake discussion

never used launchers before: does faction launcher outperform its T2 version in actual play? EFT could fool me sometimes.

My heart bleeds for you, it really does.