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if i understand this rightly then the tax can only do one thing ant that is incease... because "By repairing the taxes to be... a) Based on market value" when the tax goes up the price on the product goes up.. with this model the tax will then increase again or...?

Did you consider and give proper weight to how this taxes based on full market value -- not added value like a VAT -- at every stage in the production? For high end goods with many steps, this repeated taxation multiplier will be very high.

I was aware of the factor, but I hadn't taken the time to do the calculations, and so I was rather surprised by how much it added up to.

You CERTAINLY did not communicate this factor up front. And yes, I'm sure you would have gotten more player resistance if you had, but that isn't a reason not to communicate.

My main criticism of all this is not what you're trying to do, but the degree of risk you seem willing to take of not just changing the balance, but of completely mangling it, in ways which are frankly beyond human analysis and prediction, and may turn out to be highly undesirable all around.

I do have one other issue, though. Basically, you're using ISK to try to drive people to do something that's fundamentally boring. I took down an Interbus CO on SiSi. It's going to be annoying. The only way it's not going to be annoying is with a fleet of dreadnaughts or similar scale effort. In some areas, that might produce fleet fights, but in most losec areas, nobody is going to attack such a fleet. If someone makes the fleet, you're handing power to the powerful. If the powerful don't find that interesting, you're back to using ISK to drive boredom.

All of the benefits you seek seem to be sitting behind a solid barrier of shooting-at-structures boredom.

It remains to be seen if you CAN drive people to it with ISK, but even if you can, is that really what you want?

Oh Right: " we are encouraging players to own and operate these offices." - actually No you are not. You are encouraging corps to own and operate offices. (those that can be bothered that is)

Many players are in corps that will not want to build POCO's. Many players are not and do not want to be in Player corps. Many players will not want to start their own corp. And there will be some like me who are remaining loyal to a corp in the hope that all the other corp members who have unsubscribed due to previous ill thought out nerfs, may eventually re-subscribe when they feel that CCP are finally listening to their player base. ( I aint holding my breath though)

Finally many players like me have now twice (including the previous bad PI patch) had to waste a great deal of time and effort in building and balancing their PI operations, only to find once again that it has now been totally broken.


Low sec has long been severly under utilised - you brought something in to make it a much more viable proposition for players to operate in low sec - now, in one fell swoop you have taken low sec back to square one - good thinking Batman.

And to answer all the sucks who will just say, "well do something else, do this or do that" I say: Who the hell are you to tell anyone else how to play the game that they pay for. It is partly due to sucks like you that just sit back and take it up the rear end, that this once great game has been allowed to gradually decline in to a shadow of it's former self and is losing subscribers by the truckload - and will continue to do so each and every time CCP keep moving the goal posts.

We have received a number of petition (remove comma) asking if new tax rates....




Our developers have confirthisposmed that the tax rates match the design specifications




Please fix your news :P

The question here is whether this miscommunication was deliberate? I tend to think not -- but people accuse me of being naive on such things.

I for one took CCP Omen at his word that taxes were double, and didn't look closely at the details. Rather than blowing up a CO on SiSi, I should have been looking for a fast one on taxes.

I don't have a huge problem with the taxes per se. At the first level, the markets will adjust, prices will go up. But then prices of fueling towers will go up. Prices of T2 goods will go up. This is a major asymmetric inflationary pressure that WILL change the game. But how? Will we like the changes?

Maybe. Or maybe this will serve to drive the wedge further between CCP and the player base.

It'll be an interesting experiment, but I wouldn't have chosen to bet so much of the game and the company on the outcome.

Still, best wishes on managing it all and getting a positive outcome.

Technically, the blog was correct: the tax RATE has doubled.
Before it was 5% everywhere for COs and 7,5% for rockets, now its 10% for CONCORD, 15% for rockets and 17% for Interbus.
Yes, interbus is more expensive than the messy launch option that requires a clickfest.

What they did NOT tell, however, was that the base values for the taxes were altered as well (that is why the price per product rose so dramatically).

BUT THIS WAS A CHANGE BASED ON PLAYER FEEDBACK:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=33468

So I agree, CCP should have made that clearer to the players who don't follow the discussions here closely.

OK, I reviewed every single revision in the history, as well as first/last. That section is so far unmodified.

Is your point that the original communication is permanently captured going forward?

adding: or who do but either misread or just didn't get it. Cause I didn't get it as you pointed out. In which case, my bad. However, the update given by CCP Guard could point this out more directly for those of us who missed it the first time, using small words so we get it right...

Well

Up to x100 taxes...

You should quit smoking that **** men!!!

So basically you haven't altered your plans from the first dev blog when that **** Dev said that us "little guys" should just use Hi sec planets!

The high tax rates have nothing to do with profit margins, the profit margins will remain the same, it will be a % of the cost of production the same as it is now you ****

The tax rates in 0.0 and low sec are designed to **** off the larger corps and alliances who can afford to install and protect a POCO, so they blow up the high tax interbus one and install their own.

Obviously they will charge themselves nothing and anybody else will be charged whatever they think best, i would imagine same as it is at interbus, any higher and ppl will go elsewhere and there is no point charging less.

So we end up with a situation where the biggest blob around can manufacture PI items for nothing and the small independent players/corps are screwed.

I do.......erm...... did PI in 0.0 NPC space, and think after all the hassle that entails i had the same right to the resources as anybody else in those systems, it seems you at CCP think different.

Wasn't there a blog about making it easier for smaller corps or solo players to move to 0.0 and how it would be made harder for bigger alliances to gank those players so they could get established?

Please could CCP explain to me why you have deliberately stopped me, you fee paying customer with 3 acc, from accessing this game feature in favor of the huge alliances whom i think already have a monopoly of so many resources.