Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Y'know this is the basis of something workable.

If the same need exists in the station environment, which the bot failed to address in space, then the bot is effectively put offline.

My question, knowing the server is a bot and this interaction won't be controlled by a living person, why would you expect one bot to reliably fool another one?

You seem to have little understanding on how people play this game and how much of a problem bots actually are, the waves of exhumers and orcas supported by freighters are not all botting. many are multiple accounts and even mining corporations with multiple players destroying system after system like locusts.

This issue is not solved by 'interaction' nor by completely hollowing out certain playstyles in Eve Online, the empty belts you see out there are like that because CCP decided that they want a certain maximum amount of materials flowing into the market. just like when they removed the infinite Icicles from the game altogether.

CCP believes this gives players an incentive to not cluster together and move to other systems like low sec, in reality people behave like locusts do and wipe entire systems before logging out when every rock is dead.

The new expantion is going to be interesting as yet again huge increases in yield are given to players, before exhumers and ridiculous orca bonuses you had to really work for clearing out a system. Sadly CCP have decided to give in to the gratification mechanics of random high numbers and then go around increasing the material costs on the ships they re-balance.

This summer will prove a very 'interesting' time for Eve Online and the economy as every single part of gathering materials to building and researching is changed in a major way.
This might change your particular problem and your desire wanting to mine rocks in highsec might become less challenging due to them.

Most botting has for a log time allready moved to nullsec where bubble on gates and the blue ball of diplo power has protected them because of the isk they make for certain people who use said isk for fun 16 hour blueball POS shoots.

Your observer bias is not evidence for botting no matter what you may believe, and the play style of others in this sandbox is their prerogative just like how you play the game is yours (within CCP's rules ofc.).

any interactive module or non passive action would require that, otherwise your just victimising 1 small part of the playerbase for a problem that is not of their making

bots don't just mine

bots also rat in nulsec
bots also do distribution missions
im pretty sure bot programmes are robust enough nowadays to be configured for pvp

Bottom line, is any activity in any game can be done by a bot.

What it comes down to is the motivation for a programmer to program the desired bot.

All the programmer has to do is take into account for as many situations as he/she can think of, and for the unknown variable, that's what the ELSE line in an IF THEN statement is for.

Uh... no

Reason being we would have 30 man multiboxing fleets instead on 10 man multiboxing fleets.

I don't think you could realistically lower a bot miners income to prevent them from plexing. You only need 25 million ISK a day (based on 750M for plex, it is currently 715Mish in Jita) to plex. if you can mine 23/7 you would need to make just over 1M isk (again based on 750M plex, not the 715M current) an hour. Everything after that is profit.

The only way to weed out botters is for players to report suspicious activity and for CCP to catch them themselves. You can do this by opening a ticket or by taking say, a stabber with an MWD and using the ingame physics to move their ship away from activation range. Alternatively you and some of your corp mates could grab some catalysts (or make up catalyst pilot alts), enough ammo for about 15s or so for combat and gank their ships. If the pod sits in space or warps back and forth from the station to the field and back then congratulations! you have found a bot, pod it and write a nice email to them. If you get a large wall of text instead then the person wasn't botting and you just accidently PvP'd so drink those tears up you scampy pirate you.

Might as well just outlaw hi sec mining or all mining altogether. Because you are already saying miners should pay extra for the privilege. And I think making hi sec mining illegal would fall within the natural possiveness of Empire NPC corps...if you grant them cheap corporate mining labor. It would be funny to see red crosses on player mining ships and bunches of white crosses in ore belts doing the mining and being killed by NPC rats. But that would be too server intensive for background actions that players seldom bother with.

And do not say mining is the only thing in EVE that can be bot driven or done on auto or exploited.

After all a Disco BS sitting on a gate in low sec can rake in frigate,industrial and destroyer kills all night with zero attention...at least until people stop jumping to 0km from gate or are bigger than destroyer.

LOL mining is just so hilariously obvious about "cheating" when you got 12-20 ships named the same. Heh and often they are multi-boxed rather than bots. Because it only takes 4 seconds per ship in rotation to keep things going.

Then again I have seen single gank player regularly running 6 ships for a gank: spotter-looter, CONCORD lure pair (one trial shoots another to draw off CONCORD response for an extra 20 seconds) and then a fleet of 4 destroyers. I suppsoe the spotter and looter ships could easily be 2 or more if you are grabbing ore etc from fallen barges.


I have a feeling that your antipathy for miners goes lots deeper than bots. As in "any resource CCP is not spending on PVP support is wasting money I spent expecting an intense PVP game". With occasional and limited PVE being acceptable for fitting and CCP testing purposes. And CCP hears you because industry wide FPS players drop a lot more coin on games per year on average than people who are into building stuff. Thus DUST and a drifting of EVE toward forcing more frequent and intense PVP.

Nope he is just not brave enough to come right out and say "remove all that boring industrial crap from my PVP game".


If only bots mined he would be happy - all EVE development would go into better PVP and all players using up server resources would be on to PVP. More fights. More action. And an expectation that CCP would remove CONCORD protection from barges if bots were the primary miners...or just remove the player industry from EVE.

IMHO that is the real agenda of most players concerned about miners. There is of course another major camp who plays up the miner bot threat just because they like shooting targets that can be assumed to be no threat and unable to escape (MMO road rage to release tensions).

I do however see the irritation that everyone has with people running more than 3-4 accounts in the same system whether they are multiboxing or botting and whether ganking or mining.

If someone is botting a single miner -- well his combined ill-gotten gains are quite limited and his risks at times outweigh profit (not like when gankers can only kill 2 of 20 ships before CONCORD comes). And from miner viewpoint such a player does not completely ruin all a systems belts in just an hour or two.

No you are wrong. It would not work.

Partially because not all bots are RMT bots. Some people bot just for the intellectual challenge or to exploit the rules. ANd as you discourage live players with normal 1-3 accounts mining..these "for the challenge" multi-boxers and bots will increase (partially because they get more famous).


But even before that Either you end up creating an ore shortage favoring bots as live players quit (limited yields hit limited time vs round the clock bots) . Or you glut the market still forcing most live miners out of business. Market gluts would tend to reduce RMT bots at the expense of EVE overall in game market

CCP hates gluts because in the end PVP is less challenging because everyone can afford top of the line ships in a player determined market.. CCP could go back to the original mostly NPC regulated market to deal with gluts (NPC buys up excess at fixed prices) but CCP will resist that strongly.