EVE General Discussion

This thread was created some time ago and received and pretty hefty amount of responses and likes from the community
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4198527#post4198527

Since this post, it is unfortunate to see that the trolling on the EVE-O forums has only gotten worse and more unchecked. I don't want to make this long so I'll get right to the points:

- The trolling on EVE-O forums is getting worse and has been for some time.
- Most players who attempt to discuss an idea or thought on the forums are berated, trolled and insulted for their efforts.
- Most of these players then leave the forums after a few posts due to the trolling, insults and/or lack of help they recieved.
- The majority of the playerbase is not represented on the forums as a result of this.
- The majority of the regulars on the forums are trolls as a result of this.
- Responses to new ideas and features posted by players is therefore mostly done by trolls.
- The "community discussion" that is reviewed by the devs is therefore in fact incomplete and rather one-sided.

Until the ISDs start outright muting/banning people from the forums this pattern will continue and proper, reasonable discussion involving the majority of the community will never happen. The TOS/EULA allows for these bans/mutes. Take a look at the posts for user "PotatoOverdose". There are 20+ EULA/TOS infractions there. Take a look at the posts for user "Unsuccessful at Everything". Look, I think he's funny too. It doesn't mean there aren't 100+ EULA/TOS infraction there.

The trolls work as a community and tend to +1 eachothers posts as often as they can. The result is that many posts - such as this one - which the majority of the community may agree with will in fact receive substantially less likes than the posts made by the trolls which the majority of the community may disagree with. You can go ahead and apply this to most posts in most threads made by such players; and that's where it really matters. There are many great ideas and suggestions that are turned aside and lost forever because a group of trolls attack a thread, receive 12 likes from their troll friends, and it becomes assumed that the "community" disagrees with the idea. Even the OP might assume this and never consider his otherwise good idea ever again.

There's a reason why most of the changes that have occurred over the past few years have not been well received by the community; it's because the devs are increasingly unaware of what the community wants. Awareness comes through communication, which cannot happen until your consumers are motivated to communicate. In it's current state, only trolls or incredibly thick-skinned debaters are willing to have discussions in this - as was put best - cesspool of EVE Online.

Thanks for reading. Now let's set back and watch as the replies to my thread only prove my point further.


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Getting in early on this one.

something.. something.., and I'm all out of popcorn.

Isn't the CSM representing player interests/concerns?

Don't the Devs work/look in very specific forum areas and threads (not GD) for feedback?

I find it amusing OP's point is proven right out of the gate.

How about "dislike" votes? Would social stigma be enough to curtail trolling?

We should have a Councle to talk to CCP about their plans for new and revamped content. It should be elected from members of the player base, and from every part of the game, and gameplay style. I wonder what we should call such a councle?

So: The first 4 players who replied to this thread have 15+ EULA/TOS infractions in their posts from the past few months alone.
In fact if you asked me before this thread to type out names of 12 trolls from the forums I could randomly think of, all 4 of these players would be on the list.

You will find this to be typical of these players; they will enter a thread and immediately respond as fast as they can independent of the content of the post (both theirs and the OP;;s). This is because they are trying to post their troll remark first, which gives them a better chance of being high-fived by the troll community in the form of a "like".

Keep proving my point gentlemen.

Actually, after reconsideration, the whole OP is promoting more hatred than anything
and is FULL of assumptions.

IZ alt detected.

Ban OP, gas thread.

I'm one of the friendliest posters on this forum, I'm not your problem.

You're showing more hostility than most of the posters you've mentioned so far, just to let you know.

Part 1
Alright, let's go through your points, shall we?

Subjective, please provide a source.

You repeated yourself. You levied an accusation against so-called "trolls", again no sources or evidence provided.


The bolded part is correct; however, the provided "cause" has absolutely no supporting evidence provided whatsoever. Like in every other videogame community out there, most players do not visit the forums. This is not something unique to Eve or caused by the forums as such.

As it is in every game, but that's why we have the CSM which is advertised in your launcher.

Too many quotes, Part 2 Coming soon.

Checking in.