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Do grinding missions prepare you for PVP?
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Alundil
Rolled Out
#61 - 2014-04-17 18:57:57 UTC
Nope. The closest thing miiiiight be (and it's a huge stretch) incursions or wormhole sites but in general Eve's pve is a poor primer for PvP.

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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#62 - 2014-04-17 19:43:30 UTC
The only skill you learn in PvE that may be of any use in PvP is transversal control, both for offence and defence. Other than that, you may be just perfect for big fleet battles. Lock on designated target, hit F1, repeat. Structure grinding is more of a miner mentality though, only without the ore as a reward.

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Carmen Electra
AlcoDOTTE
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#63 - 2014-04-17 19:46:27 UTC
They don't prepare you in the sense that I think you're talking about, but they do give you ISK which can make a big difference in what kind of PvP is available to you.

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Shrewd Tsero
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#64 - 2014-04-17 21:14:42 UTC
Oh please to one and all. It's seriously like there's some sort of contagious disease around anything carebear or high-sec related that you all are afraid of catching. Like even the merest inference that you think there's something even slightly, mildly worthwhile in high-sec or the mission runner/miner/trader mentality means that you are going to have breakouts in the parts where the bad men touch you.

As a relatively new player that started purely missioning and still earns the ISK to fund his PvP side projects, I can tell you that the stuff I learned about fitting a ship all came from missions and it's been a great base. Understanding optimal versus falloff, the problem of dealing with smaller ships as a bigger ship, velocity and why it matters, wtf sig radius even is, what core skills are and how to prioritize training them, resistances and ammo types, rate of fire/tracking speed/explosion radius/etc.

Granted, some of that stuff I've had to unlearn, but not all of it. I think it's fair to say that missioning does not prepare you for PvP combat, but stop talking like it provides zero value at all. Could I have learned all that stuff by going straight out in my frigate with frickin lazors beams and a shield hardener fitted to my armor tank with purger rigs? Sure, but it's not the only way to go.

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The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
#65 - 2014-04-17 21:33:23 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Doireen Kaundur wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
PVP prepares you for PVP.


But isnt that like saying "dont go in the water until you learn how to swim?"


No, it's like saying, "throwing you in the pool and helping you not drown is how we teach you to swim."

Tis how I learned.

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#66 - 2014-04-17 21:36:25 UTC
Doireen Kaundur wrote:
Do grinding missions prepare you for PVP?


Look, good against remotes is one thing... Good against a living? That's something else.

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Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#67 - 2014-04-17 21:48:19 UTC
Shrewd Tsero wrote:
Oh please to one and all. It's seriously like there's some sort of contagious disease around anything carebear or high-sec related that you all are afraid of catching. Like even the merest inference that you think there's something even slightly, mildly worthwhile in high-sec or the mission runner/miner/trader mentality means that you are going to have breakouts in the parts where the bad men touch you.

As a relatively new player that started purely missioning and still earns the ISK to fund his PvP side projects, I can tell you that the stuff I learned about fitting a ship all came from missions and it's been a great base. Understanding optimal versus falloff, the problem of dealing with smaller ships as a bigger ship, velocity and why it matters, wtf sig radius even is, what core skills are and how to prioritize training them, resistances and ammo types, rate of fire/tracking speed/explosion radius/etc.

Granted, some of that stuff I've had to unlearn, but not all of it. I think it's fair to say that missioning does not prepare you for PvP combat, but stop talking like it provides zero value at all. Could I have learned all that stuff by going straight out in my frigate with frickin lazors beams and a shield hardener fitted to my armor tank with purger rigs? Sure, but it's not the only way to go.
Correct, but the question was 'Does GRINDING missions prepare you for PVP?'

The answer is no. Doing the tutorial missions plus a week or two of combat PVE certainly teaches you the very basics. But GRINDING missions (which commonly means: doing a whole big bunch of them over and over again for weeks if not months) is useless for combat PVP.

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Shrewd Tsero
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#68 - 2014-04-17 22:25:45 UTC
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
The answer is no. Doing the tutorial missions plus a week or two of combat PVE certainly teaches you the very basics. But GRINDING missions (which commonly means: doing a whole big bunch of them over and over again for weeks if not months) is useless for combat PVP.


Point taken...

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Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#69 - 2014-04-17 23:21:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
Doireen Kaundur wrote:
and if not, what does?


PVPing

WOULD be neat is there were PVP style missions that WOULD teach ppl how to PVP lol

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#70 - 2014-04-18 02:28:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Kitty Bear
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Doireen Kaundur wrote:
and if not, what does?


PVPing

WOULD be neat is there were PVP style missions that WOULD teach ppl how to PVP lol


I guess it's a 'soon™' thing

a few dev's (well 1 definitely) have said previously the long term plan for eve is to remove the fitting disparity between pve/pvp, and have pve fits more closely resemble pvp fits. that's a LOT of change to most of the pve dynamics
no timeline has ever been given however
Daerrol
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#71 - 2014-04-18 04:19:22 UTC
Despite the naysayers there is a lot you can learn from PVE. Work on Manuel flying to optimize your transversal, work on optimal kiting and multitasking drones. Learn to quickly identify Electronic Warfare, and learn how it effects yoru ship. Don't just be albe to say "tracking disruptors mess my tracking." Learn why to do when you have no tracking. Fly in cap-unstable ships with microwarp drives to learn how to control your cap. Stop using the "orbit" button. All this will give you a lot of basic (and I mean BASIC) skills for PVP. After that, buy 100 Slashers and go into lowsec. Fit each a little different than the last. Try crazy things. PVE in Low-Sec to get used to being there, rat belts or hit anomalies while mashing D-scanner. D-scanning during PVP has saved me two or three times now.

Read Isis religiously. Know every T1 frigate in the game. Hit the FW pipeline, keep going into Novice sites.

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