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2014 Rattlesnake changes. No thanks.

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Topher Basquette Dusch-shur
Montana Freedom Fighters
#21 - 2014-04-17 18:34:20 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
The market disagrees with you.

I bought a lot of Rattlesnakes before the changes, when noone wanted the hull at all and you could get the BPC for 250m.

Now, my stockpile has almost doubled in price. Buy orders on the hull went from 360m to 570m.

So clearly, the majority of Rattlesnake owners and prospective owners consider it significantly stronger now.



I disagree with what the OP is saying, but you cannot use market speculation from station traders as a way to show the value a ship has to players. This isn't people buying the new Rattle, this is people trying to make some fast isk. Use the market data a couple months after the ship is out, then your point might be considered valid. The prospective owners haven't decided anything yet, and the current owners can be found in the correct thread read that one if you are going to make assumptions about their opinions, at least then they will have some kind of useful information behind them..
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
#22 - 2014-04-17 19:11:53 UTC
Topher Basquette Dusch-shur wrote:
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
The market disagrees with you.

I bought a lot of Rattlesnakes before the changes, when noone wanted the hull at all and you could get the BPC for 250m.

Now, my stockpile has almost doubled in price. Buy orders on the hull went from 360m to 570m.

So clearly, the majority of Rattlesnake owners and prospective owners consider it significantly stronger now.



I disagree with what the OP is saying, but you cannot use market speculation from station traders as a way to show the value a ship has to players. This isn't people buying the new Rattle, this is people trying to make some fast isk. Use the market data a couple months after the ship is out, then your point might be considered valid. The prospective owners haven't decided anything yet, and the current owners can be found in the correct thread read that one if you are going to make assumptions about their opinions, at least then they will have some kind of useful information behind them..




Everyone thinks it is the bees knees, but hey, don't pay them any attention...


A++ economic advice right here
Chris Winter
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#23 - 2014-04-17 19:32:19 UTC
Unfortunately, a lot of people aren't realizing that you can't really make use of a 5th launcher, since then you'd lose a drone link augmenter and be down 24k drone control range. A T2 drone rig only gets you back 20k of that, and using two rigs for it will negatively impact your applied missile DPS due to loss of rigors.

It's still a 50% damage buff (as long as you use kinetic or thermal), so I'm not crying.
Topher Basquette Dusch-shur
Montana Freedom Fighters
#24 - 2014-04-17 20:36:56 UTC
Loraine Gess wrote:


Everyone thinks it is the bees knees, but hey, don't pay them any attention...


A++ economic advice right here



I am very excited about the new ship, after all I did say I disagree with the OP. Then again I am the only one I fly with who likes to have RHML on the thing anyway. This is a complete buff to my play style. Completely agree that this ship is going to be the "Bees Knees", but "everyone" is a very gross exaggeration.

Chris Winter wrote:

Unfortunately, a lot of people aren't realizing that you can't really make use of a 5th launcher, since then you'd lose a drone link augmenter and be down 24k drone control range. A T2 drone rig only gets you back 20k of that, and using two rigs for it will negatively impact your applied missile DPS due to loss of rigors.

It's still a 50% damage buff (as long as you use kinetic or thermal), so I'm not crying.


About half of the people in the actual thread are making this argument. I think you have it backwards. You CAN and SHOULD make use of the 5th launcher. Someone correct this if you can, but you get 24km from a DLA on top of 58k(?) with your range skills. That is 82k for your bouncers and wardens. If they are further than that why not MJD right to them and be 18k from them? or make an obtuse triangle to be any distance you want?

If I've learned anything from the Marauder rebalanced it is that the rebalanced ideas are not going to change. They might offer something worse and then revert it, but Chris Winter has the best way of dealing with this.

Chris Winter wrote:

It's still a 50% damage buff (as long as you use kinetic or thermal), so I'm not crying.


Silver lining baby.
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#25 - 2014-04-17 22:55:56 UTC
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