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Grimpak

Aliastra

Gallente Federation

Likes received: 2,463

#21 - 2011-12-01 04:17:03 UTC

Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:

None of this really matters, since with a 10% damage buff the Daredevil will be the new Dramiel anyways. And by that I mean, a perfectly killable frigate that is declared to be "unbeatable" in solo engagements and therefore fuels forum threads full of angst for a few more months until the next round of balancing elevates something else to the pole position.

10? well unless you're talking about rail DD.

blaster DD got the damage boosted by 5% afaik.

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Doomheim 203
Russell Casey Doomheim Likes received: 203	#22 - 2011-12-01 04:17:37 UTC Lol@ frigs that cost more than a BS.

Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 1,327
St Mio Imperial Academy Amarr Empire Likes received: 1,327	#23 - 2011-12-01 05:34:18 UTC Scan res not sig res

RED ROSE THORN 1,234
JC Anderson RED ROSE THORN Likes received: 1,234	#24 - 2011-12-01 05:43:36 UTC St Mio wrote: Scan res not sig res Was about to comment on that. It lost over 200 points in scan resolution in the patch. The OP however lists sig.

Rifterlings 3,297
Petrus Blackshell Rifterlings Likes received: 3,297	#25 - 2011-12-01 07:25:09 UTC St Mio wrote: Scan res not sig res Ack!! It's a pet peeve of mine when people screw that up, but I fell for it. Fail. Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)

Big Bad Mofo

Doomheim

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#26 - 2011-12-01 12:45:08 UTC

Petrus Blackshell wrote:

Big Bad Mofo wrote:

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it's a bit harder to fit (you need near-perfect or perfect fitting skills)

You said it right there, now not any tom **** and harry can fly it...theres your nerf, plus some of the minus stats on top of that..

If only it were the idiots flying it that were the problem. The people without good fitting skills would probably fly arty Dramiel or other such abominations. The ones who know how to fly it also know how to fit ships very tightly for PvP, and that includes tight fitting skills.

Yeah but thats up to them if they are going to fly a stupidly fit dramiel, its like saying people shouldnt fly any pirate ship becuase they basically dont have the know how to do it. I mean seriously how many fits have you seen on ships that are so random its untrue. You dont need to worry about people who badly fit a dramiel, becuase they are not an issue. The issue was people who did fit them well, and fly them well, thats what made them shall we say overpowered.
Now those people cannot fit the ship as well any more, even with very very good skills. Those cutting down the number of people who can fly them, also because of the nerf it will have less cpu which was really tight anyway, and less powergrid which was always tight, and less speed. Your stats show that there is still for a frigate quite a significant reduction, remember those are frig changes which do have a dramatic effect on the ship, if it was a BS then yeah those drops are nothing, but for a frig its alot. Tbh i dont think people will fly drams now, this is what always happens with every ship. It happened to the Vaga, the zealot, nano ships etc. They are all flavour of the month, but once they get nerfed they are on the scrapheap and people stop flying them because they are not as powerful and have that unfair advantage as they did before. I know many people who have sold their drams now, and personally i dont think i will fly one again, even though i had many before the patch.

Aliastra Gallente Federation 125
Elson Tamar Aliastra Gallente Federation Likes received: 125	#27 - 2011-12-01 13:00:49 UTC or of course the OP is trying to prop up his failing Drem production company?

Get Out Nasty Face 3,886
Lady Spank Get Out Nasty Face Likes received: 3,886	#28 - 2011-12-01 13:05:02 UTC It still dies to Tristans ^______^ This rebalance stops it being disgustingly OP, it doesn't stop it being a good and viable ship. (ಠ_ృ) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (ಠ_ృ)

Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 952
Onictus Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation Likes received: 952	#29 - 2011-12-01 13:08:05 UTC Lady Spank wrote: It still dies to Tristans ^______^ This rebalance stops it being disgustingly OP, it doesn't stop it being a good and viable ship. Sounds like mission accomplished.

Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 5,312
Solstice Project Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic Likes received: 5,312	#30 - 2011-12-01 13:25:51 UTC 1 blabla, leave the ship alone. It's meant to be that way. It's just the weaklings who complain about it. Now go EFT Warrior somewhere else.


Solstice Project Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic Likes received: 5,312	#31 - 2011-12-01 13:26:03 UTC 1 Awesome double post.

Aliastra Gallente Federation 78
thoth rothschild Aliastra Gallente Federation Likes received: 78	#32 - 2011-12-01 13:28:54 UTC \| Edited by: thoth rothschild 1 The Dramiel nerf ist not made by ship tweaks to the dram :) It's more like . . . . . . DESTROYERS .

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Ghoest Likes received: 345	#33 - 2011-12-01 14:10:03 UTC 1 The OP doesnt not understand the English language meaning of the word signifigant - either that or he did not make his case in good faith. Lets laugh at him. Wherever You Went - Here You Are


Ghoest Likes received: 345	#34 - 2011-12-01 14:10:19 UTC \| Edited by: Ghoest 1 I will take this double posting event as an opportunity to type some more stuff. Yes that was fun. Wherever You Went - Here You Are


Lady Spank Get Out Nasty Face Likes received: 3,886	#35 - 2011-12-01 14:10:29 UTC \| Edited by: Lady Spank thoth rothschild wrote: The Dramiel nerf ist not made by ship tweaks of the dram :) It's more like . . . . . . DESTROYERS . indeed http://bit.ly/vd3mCi (ಠ_ృ) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (ಠ_ృ)


Lady Spank Get Out Nasty Face Likes received: 3,886	#36 - 2011-12-01 14:14:23 UTC Russell Casey wrote: Lol@ frigs that cost more than a BS. How is cost relevant? (ಠ_ృ) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (ಠ_ృ)

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Lord Ryan True Xero Likes received: 902	#37 - 2011-12-01 14:30:56 UTC 1 CA-1 implants 500mil each, message ingame for contracts! Do not assume anything above this line was typed by me. Nerf the Truth, it's inconvenient.

Petrus Blackshell

Rifterlings

Likes received: 3,297

#38 - 2011-12-01 16:25:50 UTC

Elson Tamar wrote:

or of course the OP is trying to prop up his failing Drem production company? Cool

My Industry skills consist of Industry I and Mining II, and they're the same on my other two characters. Good try, though.

I guess as a frigate pilot I might have more of a grudge against Dramiels than I should. I'll try to give one a kick in a Tristan sometime. Or possibly stop whining and fly Dramiels myself, if they're going to stay so cheap.

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Rugged Ruff and Ready 175
Vachir Khan Rugged Ruff and Ready Likes received: 175	#39 - 2011-12-01 16:51:49 UTC Drams are still too good, the nerf was too soft and essentially didn't change much (CCP can't have Minnie ships not be OP ofcourse). If people go "but there's the DD" then the answer is very simple; nerf them BOTH back in line, problem solved. But then there would be diversity and people would have to make choices and might actually lose a fight /gasp

The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance 211
Alistair Cononach The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance Likes received: 211	#40 - 2011-12-01 18:14:46 UTC How does the Dram do now against the buffed Dessie Hulls?