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Vulture bpo advice needed
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Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
#21 - 2014-04-15 19:21:13 UTC
kessiegirl wrote:

4. I got it to ME5, so 1.7% wasteage if i remember correctly. Is it worth researching further before selling, if that would be the avenue to go down?



Basically, no. At that point you've already eliminated most of the expensive waste. It might be worth a revisit if vultures get buffed/vultures become incredibly sellable.


Use EVE Isk Per Hour, as posted.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#22 - 2014-04-16 02:48:56 UTC
If the BPO is sitting idle right now, either have it copying or doing ME research (but do that where the BPO is and put up with long wait times, do not move it for research). PE research is worthwhile too (get it to 9 or so, it will add ~8% to the production speed).

If someone expresses interest in purchasing it, you can tell them "It's in ME research, going from 5 to 10, comes out in 37 days time, would you rather I cancel it and we trade now, or would you rather wait 37 days and transact then?"

Also before making a decision, consider the recently announced dev blog on industry - copying T2 BPOs in highsec stations will cost more ISK and less time (which is overall very good for you) come the next expansion. You may want to keep it, vomit out copies, and sell them on the contract market.

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Mr LaboratoryRat
Confederation of DuckTape Lovers
#23 - 2014-04-16 11:16:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr LaboratoryRat
kessiegirl wrote:
Naya Sky wrote:
You can use site like this to estimate the yearly BPO profit. But it's a very rough estimate as the prices change all the time. People like to value T2 BPOs at ~10 years production (so in your case 40-60B easily) but as others have said high-end ship BPOs like Vulture can easily be sold for 3-4x times as much.

Also generally speaking you are better off producing from the BPO rather than making copies. It takes like 3 days+ to make one run copy while you can build almost 3 ships in that time straight from the BPO.




Thanks, that's amazing, a lot better than the spreadsheet I've set up!! :) Numbers came up very similar though!




Let me spill the beans and give you some really goood once in a life time T2 bpo advice. Information is isk in eve, so i will be short to only help you out and not the resell trolls.... only if they were just nice ppl. I will be short as i have 5 mnuts to be direct and not to specific.

First, that site is a good one but the above post is terrible wrong on the numbers that leads to calcutating the value of the T2 bpo. I will not tell you why on this public forum so everyone can read.

kessiegirl wrote:
Mr LaboratoryRat wrote:
You can not say like 'its worth more because of the chance it will become worth more depending on future iterations".

Thats totaly bs and a big gamble. Would you gamble with 100b, with the chance of losing all the excessive isk when those chances are not happening? (as you claim a uncertain future profit)

And totaly agreeing with Big Lynx, the T2 bpo market had a hugh bubble due to the fact that lots of free tech isk was spend by alliances on buying high-end T2 bpo's, no matter what their price was (free isk). Since ISK does matter again, purchages declined and the market is correcting itsselve (look at the amount of prints for sale (hint: price is too high)).

About the pricing for the vulture. Shield fleets are history and those endless drake & tengu fleets wont come back anytime soon. Missles are rebalanced and armour has gotten a buff. Future populairity has to be questioned. Also each day only about 10 vultures sell in jita, its a very tiny sell market.

It is not the question how much this print is worth, the question is what other things you can do with the same amount of isk. (or what other prints can be bought that are equal or more profitable).

@ the Op, i am not handing out pricings on this public forum, but if you wish to sell it send me a mail.

Edit: To answere your question. The best way to utilize it is A keep it and produce or B sell it and buy better T2 bpo back or invest isk in somthing else thats more profitable.


Cheers, i really appreciate some background and history! It really raises a bunch of follow up questions.. Sorry for bringing this a bit into Off topic territory, but as TS, i'll take liberties :)

1, Why did alliances invest in T2 BPO's? To secure supplies of different ship types?

2. How many T2 BPO's were originally released per item? Has anyone ever achieved monopoly of a popular item (i.e owning all/ a majority of the BPO's?

3. in case of selling it, say 150B, what kind of investment would be reasonable from that? I guess PLEX ( a new thing since i played) is smart for protecting against inflation, but what other reasonable ways are there in investing nowadays? I.e, what would you do?

4. I got it to ME5, so 1.7% wasteage if i remember correctly. Is it worth researching further before selling, if that would be the avenue to go down?

Thanks again to everyone for the great advice - it's really appreciated! I just realised how much i've missed the community! the good, the bad, and the scams - you wouldn't believe some of the mails I've received... *chuckle* Just because I've been out, doesn't mean I'm an easy target! :)


1: If a 150b investment makes 30b a year / 2,5b a month (yes these roi bpo's are common). What if you have 10 of those? basicly a ongoing forever free income of ISK. And is is everything (power/ supers/ rentable fc's/ activity/ survivability). This is exacly why the moongoo mistake speed up the 0.0 sov war untill the crap point where we are today. Power scaled up too big due it and now its unreversabl'; leading to only have 2 powerblocs left.

2: 24 ammo, 18 mods, 12 ships (Out of my head, i should look it up again) Altough some are on lost accounts ect. There where the invention margens are the largest, the less T2 bpo's are used. When you analyse the entire T2 production market, you will have powerfull information.

3: Plex is bad investment as its on a big peek. 4 yrs ago it was good investment, not anymore. What i would do, would be free information (im srry) on which everyone would get in to as it would be a good thing :). Trading is my advice. With 150b you can set up a good project that can earn you easy 5/10b a month.

4: No, researching it isnt worth it anymore.
Naya Sky
Serra Industries
#24 - 2014-04-16 16:35:50 UTC
Mr LaboratoryRat wrote:

3: Plex is bad investment as its on a big peek. 4 yrs ago it was good investment, not anymore.


Funny.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#25 - 2014-04-17 01:51:17 UTC
Naya Sky wrote:
Mr LaboratoryRat wrote:

3: Plex is bad investment as its on a big peek. 4 yrs ago it was good investment, not anymore.


Funny.



I consider PLEX a fine long term investment, although if I was looking to buy in big, I'd wait until the next PLEX sale.

If you want short term - avoid PLEX. They are at somewhat of a local maximum at the moment (or were the last time I needed to buy one)

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