Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Hi,

I have had this idea, to improve or at least give a more dynamic layer for gate camps in high sec. The players that are camping high sec, are protected by Concord, as well as the players travelling through high sec. However, it stands to a reasonable intelligence level that if you camp a stargate with a pack of friends, that any individual might think that you are up to no good. So why don't these groups incur a suspect flag? We risk our ships going through their camps, but they don't risk anyone else attacking them because they will in turn, have Concord fly to the rescue. (Sometimes I think Concord hurts more than it helps.)

By at least having players who intend to suicide gank a transport, do so while having a suspect flag, makes them take some risk as well and would create dynamic pvp in that it would create a counter roam group, hunting for yellow players around a stargate. You could have some pretty fun group versus group fights, instead of the boring wait, upon which you suicide your ship.

What do you guys think?

I was thinking, the timer should come into effect upon which your activities are suspect by hanging around a stargate too long at 7 minutes. Five would be too short and ten would be too long for the dynamic purposes here.

You seem to be under the false belief that suicide gankers have no risk at present.

I'd love to see all those waiting to get into Jita with their freighters, if this came into effect. OH my, the tears.
It's an awful idea and one modicum of thought would have told you this, before posting.

To be quite fair, if you AFK while autopiloting for 10 minutes rather than docking up you do kinda deserve whatever you get.

That being said, this isn't really a good idea. Or to word it more precisely, this really isn't a good idea.

It doesn't have any merits. It's inherently bad, simply because it hands out suspect flags for no good reason.

Loitering may be a crime in the real world, but the glorious thing about internet space pixels is that I can do things that would land me in jail in the real world... and I get rewarded for it instead of getting arrested

I did, dynamic group versus group pvp and counter roam groups looking for gate campers.

Pre-emptive crime watch.

More player conflict in high sec. More opportunities for interaction. Did I mention PvP?

Any group engaging the camper group would have to feel pretty confident they can take them on, and if they can't, that's free kills for them. Profit?

Or are the campers scared in this scenario that an organized squad versus squad scenario would mean a total loss for them?

You could even take this idea further and have DECOY GATE CAMPS. Players yellow flagged by crime watch, scanning ships, pretending they are suicide gankers, only to attract a roaming intercept fleet that finds out too late that they are fully tanked and ready to pew pew with their pvp fits.

Fun?

I could go on. :)

Orbit FTW

On the contrary. When the outcome of an engagement is certain, there is no fear, only how much you are able to commit to that loss. I don't think a suicide ganker knows fear. They are prepared to lose that which they put in space, the decision and outcome of that was when they hit Undock. Fear is, flying in space, and out of nowhere, an enemy pilot engages you and neither of you are prepared to take that loss but one pilot will go down. That is fear.

The other points you make are true, however.

You are right. I had not considered a corp that is at war with another in high sec and trying to intercept its members.

We could add another condition to the effect that, if you are at war with a corporation, you do not get flagged as suspect by hanging around gates as you actually do have a reason to be there, that in the world of EVE and Concord being concerned, is not suspect.


The way I envisioned this to work, and roughly the whole thing is inspired from playing cops and robbers as a kid. You have the robbers here, and players play them, but the cops are played by NPCs and do a really bad job of it.

Just trying to create the robbers as content for 'cops' type player corps, but as this thread has demonstrated, there are lots of intricacies that must be considered. Eventually my dream is to entirely replace Concord with player run entities. But that's probably out of scope for the entirety of the game.

Thinking short term, however, you will see a lot more movement of goods and a lot more shifting of infrastructure with the coming expansion. CCP has recognized ganking as a profession but not officially so, I feel. They really need to step it up and just flag them yellow as train robbers (which is what they are), and reimburse their hulls from insurance. That way, they can be content for PvP corps in high sec on equal ground by allowing them to fit more diverse fits, instead of the glass cannon builds. And we could have some fun fights, with the 'cops' not losing their ships to Concord but to the robbers and so on.

Currently, in highsec, there is no incentive to create a corp, to go after the security of space. There is no incentive in being a good guy, only a villain. If there was a balance, things would be a lot more fun. Again, I think Concord really hinders this.

Also, currently, I don't see the suicide gankers as content for anyone, in the way that every other recognized profession in the game is, at least by CCP standards. What incentive is there to go after them in high sec? What do you gain from it? And the fight can't even really go on because Concord will show up and spoil the party. Most you can say, is, they buy the same ganking ships. So they help the economy in that way.

We can make it more than this.

I support it. I will find freighters and bump them around the gate for 7 minutes, then kill them.