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So I'm going over the CSM votes and politics and I notice:

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#21 - 2014-04-16 14:30:30 UTC
Lilly Naari wrote:

Many people on these forums have made excellent suggestions for in game additions. But the major powers that be if deciding they personally would be damaged by such, even if the game as a whole would be improved, strike them down with majority vote coming form their singular source.


The problem with this is that it's simply not true. It's a prime example of "truthiness" - something that sounds as if it should be true, but is in fact complete rubbish with no factual basis whatsoever.

"Truthiness is a quality characterizing a "truth" that a person making an argument or assertion claims to know intuitively "from the gut" or because it "feels right" without regard to evidence, logic, intellectual examination, or facts.[1]"

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Mythrandier
Solace Corp
#22 - 2014-04-16 14:34:50 UTC
Malcanis wrote:


"Truthiness is a quality characterizing a "truth" that a person making an argument or assertion claims to know intuitively "from the gut" or because it "feels right" without regard to evidence, logic, intellectual examination, or facts.[1]"



That rather eloquently encapsulates the entirety of GD…

"In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." -  D. Adams.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2014-04-16 14:58:19 UTC
i am absolutely outraged, or i will be once someone explains what's going on to me, because i am absolutely sure there is something to be outraged about here. somebody needs to be stopped!
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#24 - 2014-04-16 15:12:00 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
i am absolutely outraged, or i will be once someone explains what's going on to me, because i am absolutely sure there is something to be outraged about here. somebody needs to be stopped!


I wish i could name my ship this lol.
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#25 - 2014-04-16 15:19:35 UTC
Mythrandier wrote:
Lilly Naari wrote:


Many people on these forums have made excellent suggestions for in game additions. But the major powers that be if deciding they personally would be damaged by such, even if the game as a whole would be improved, strike them down with majority vote coming form their singular source.



Just remind me again who was the biggest advocate for the tech nerf?


I want to say... Dinsadale? P

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Mythrandier
Solace Corp
#26 - 2014-04-16 15:46:03 UTC
admiral root wrote:
Mythrandier wrote:
Lilly Naari wrote:


Many people on these forums have made excellent suggestions for in game additions. But the major powers that be if deciding they personally would be damaged by such, even if the game as a whole would be improved, strike them down with majority vote coming form their singular source.



Just remind me again who was the biggest advocate for the tech nerf?


I want to say... Dinsadale? P



Hahaha, oh you :P

"In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." -  D. Adams.
Mike Azariah
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2014-04-17 20:41:44 UTC
Lilly Naari wrote:


I despise politics, because honestly their pointless. As those in power will always be those with the most money and members. And therefore any movement political or otherwise will always be biased toward the most powerful entities desires. The same problem that exists in capitalism, exist in every democratic system.

Power corrupts.
Absolute power, corrupts absolutely
Not a single one of the CSM members do not have their own wants and desires in mind, of which will better their alliances and or corps in their own way regardless of the outcome to others.

Change effects everyone, what is good for one, is bad for another, and vice versa. The only time this is false is when a decision can resolutely have a positive effect on everyone involved, which is an impossibility. This being the case individuals delude themselves into believing that what is good for them is good fro everyone. Much like religion does. When in fact the very opposite is generally the truth.

Many people on these forums have made excellent suggestions for in game additions. But the major powers that be if deciding they personally would be damaged by such, even if the game as a whole would be improved, strike them down with majority vote coming form their singular source.


Ok, I love answering a decent troll because sometimes there are some truthiness bits mixed in that others may accidentally mistake for truth itself.

1) Politics is pointless because it is a 'fixed game' I honestly think (sometimes) that this little gem is encouraged by the people with money and power so they can disenfranchise the masses through learned apathy. Why vote, let us just run things for you.

Bull. If you want to run, run. If someone you think is the Right Person for the job then support them, instead. If there is power in a democratic system then it is there for the taking. But it is easier to complain that the race is fixed and the decisions already made than to step in and get your hands dirty. I challenge anybody to tell me what power block or 'big money' got me onto the CSM8 council.

2) Power corrupts. So if the game wasn't rigged then the people we elected will soon be so crooked that it will not make a difference how they got there in the first place. That would eb a telling point except for the wee little detail of the CSM being an advisory council and representation of the players with no true power. So with no power we cannot be corrupt, right? Wrong, I love logic and the fallacies there in. We are as corrupt or clean as we are when we started. No more, no less. Which leads me to my favourite.

3) Somebody gets hurt if there is change. Well, somebody often gets hurt without the change. In ancient times surgeons were not doctors because of the 'do no harm' clause. We got over that one realizing that a long term beneficial game may involve some pain and sacrifice up front. Few changes can be made to the game that will be 'good for everyone'. So we try to advise CCP to the find the better good. Not the perfect move but good ones. We look at changes from all the different viewpoints that we can bring to the table. From Mynnna with his expertise in Hi-finance in low places to mine in casual play and just faking it as you play a game.

Game . . . you know, this hobby/obsession of ours? Supposed to be fun. For me, it is. Hope the same goes for you and I have been and am still trying to keep it that way.

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Mike Azariah  ┬──┬ ¯|(ツ)/¯
Draconus Lofwyr
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2014-04-17 20:58:54 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Lilly Naari wrote:
admiral root wrote:
Lilly Naari wrote:
That Mynnna from Goonswarm is a permanent CSM council member.


Do you mean that he (and the terribad attention-craving blogger) are both entitled to attend all the CSM summits as they placed 1st and 2nd in the last election? If so, working as intended.


No I mean permanent as in even if they are not voted in they still retain their postions on the council, as is obvious by the huge bold letter that say say "Permanent Attendee / CSM" Next to their names on the list.

Being a "Current" member because you won an election, is not the same as being a "Permanent member".

Granted Goonswarm will never lose the election as they Basically own CCP these days, But still, listing it publicly even if you do rig the election is just ********.


Except that that is not what it means. Mynnna has to be voted in the same as anyone else. There is no such thing as an unelected CSM member.

Mynnna was first elected on to CSM8. He hasn't served on any previous CSMs.



i think the confusion is the choice of the term "Permanent" inferring never ending member. A more accurate title should be "Priority Member" as this member has priority in attendance over the rest on the CSM.
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