Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You forgot to add, "also know how to fly them." Here's what happened to the last frig killer composition who didn't know how to fight. And of course, regarding whether the inty gangs don't take fights, they do. Sometimes those fights escalate. Seriously speaking, if you can field fleets like the cfc fleets above, but can't come out as a winner, you're doing something horribly wrong.

Are you actually crying that our 5 guys don't fight your 50-man defense fleet? Please note that when there are somewhat even odds, like the ones linked above, we grant you your fights. There's been plenty of fights between your response fleets and our inty gangs.


Yes, next thing those 5-man gangs start to do is take your sov.


Ask any interceptor pilot and they can tell you. In a Goon fashion, I'd like to say that it's not our job to provide you fun, but to provide us fun.


Pretty ironic coming from a goon.


Did it ever cross your mind that maybe that's what we want? Please don't give us the pleasure of thinking that we achieved that.

In large enough quantities to threaten your sov, a few smart bombing battleships would kill a lot of them. In small enough numbers that smart bombing battleships aren't much use they won't be threatening sov. You're being sensationalist with that sov statement which undermines your entire argument.

They are annoying, I grant you, but there are counters to inties as has been explained elsewhere in this and most other anti-inti threads. We've fought inti gangs a lot. We have to reship into specific anti-inti fits in order to have a chance of catching them but once you can catch them they die so easily it's silly. It's the catching that's the trick. Usually we kill a few on each engagement then they run and reengage and we kill some more etc. Eventually they realise they're losing and leave. You've just got to play smart.


If the inti gang comes across people like you I guess the fun is entirely one sided as they do hit and run after hit and run and watch their targets whining on the forums about how CCP need to fix something that they can't think around even though most others have already figured out ways to combat the tactic. If they come across others, the fun can be on the other foot. Fun is what you make it. Claiming that something isn't fun for you specifically and so it needs to change indicates a lack of comprehension on your part, not necessarily an issue with the game itself.


Again, it seems the issue here is a lack of understanding on your part rather than an issue with the game. The situation you're discussing has very little to do with AFK cloaky campers in as much as there are definite tactics to fight interceptors whereas there are no game mechanics that allow you to fight cloaky campers. There really doesn't need to be any more counter to interceptors than there already is.

His argument actually isn't "They're here to kill our ihubs", it's "This space has OUR name on it and these people are in here and we don't want them here, so they shouldn't be allowed to be here and we shouldn't have to go through all this effort to remove them", which is a common fallacy made by sov empires.

Peaceful ratting realm attacked by interceptor.

Truly it's a travesty that people can't AFK rat in drone cruisers anymore and have to instead actually pay attention to the game. What has Eve become?

In all seriousness, solokilling ratters is nothing new. It existed well before ceptor buffs, people used to solo ratting battleships in Thrashers. Then rat AI changes made it more difficult to do in something like the Thrasher, and dropping 50 bubbles on ratting system gates made it nigh impossible to actually catch anything since having to burn out of the bubbles gave even the slowest of ratters plenty of time to alt-tab back to the game, notice there's someone in local and warp out.

If you don't want to be soloed by a ceptor, how about you rat in less crappy ships? An assault frigate will probably wreck any ceptor 1v1 and doesn't cost much to lose, and is also nimble enough to align and warp out before you get pointed, so maybe Mr. Risk-averse should try those. Alternatively you could fit some omnitank on your AFK droneboats instead of leaving a gaping resist hole and not get shrekt instantly. Or rat in sniping ships, be far away from the anomaly warp-in point and take a few pot shots at anyone landing in your anom before warping out.

There's so many ways not to die to roaming ceptor gangs, but instead of using them you're sitting here whining about how you can't beat them by camping gates and ratting in Afktars.

No, the problem is that every other way of roaming is so hard that there's nothing else now.

If not for ceptor nullification, roaming gangs would be nigh dead. You might see some nullified roaming T3 cruisers with depots and alternate fittings in their cargo so that they can refit according to whatever they need, but that's about it. Bubbles give the home team such a ridicilous advantage for their defence that any non-nullified roaming gang will inevitably end up getting blobbed and camped sooner or later, probably sooner.

This isn't just guesswork either, that actually happens practically 100% of the time you go roaming in non-nullified ships: just yesterday when roaming through Branch in Talwars we got blobbed by a bigger fleet than us flying a hard counter who then proceeded to camp us into a pocket. Thankfully a gang of neutral wormholers happened to pass by and helped us out.

Ceptors can be nerfed as soon as other forms of roaming are buffed, or home defense blobs are nerfed.

That's a real shame. It must suck to be where you are. We regularly see fleets of lots of different ships. Interceptor fleets are not massively common but then that's probably because they get butchered and/or driven off when they come round our way

We very rarely ever go out in interceptor fleets either. We get loads of fun fleets in without the need to only use interceptors. I guess it all depends on your FCs and roaming areas.

BTW - corebloodbrothers for CSM for all those that want a more vibrant and fun nullsec and an even hand where high sec is concerned.

I am not sure where you live, but in Syndicate there are still lots of other options flying around, ranging from Assault Frigate fleets, to T1/2 Cruiser fleets and even the occasional BS fleet or solo PVPer. If those options don't drop by in your space, then you should maybe have a look at your responses and attitude towards these fleet setups. Or are you going to ignore what Burneddi just said?

Ceptors have enough counters, they don't need more. What is needed, however, is a reduction in complacency and feeling entitled to a different treatment in the game.

So many people have said how Provi block easily deals with these 2.0s interceptors so I checked on that. Turns out they don't. What a surprise.

Out of the last 350 interceptor kills in Providence there were only a bare handful of 2.0s interceptor losses and around half of those were stuff like Stilettos so clearly Providence is very different when compared to Deklein in this regard.

Oh and how many smartbombing kills were there in Providence within those 350 kills? Almost none at all. it makes sense because that tactic is not an effective one since they can be passed so easily with bookmark packs and because 2.0s interceptors are not flown in Providence then why even try?

This is the reason why I so rarely post on this forum or any other Eve related forum except gf.com of course. Most people either straight out lie or don't know what they are talking about or are unwilling to do basic research to find out if they are right. All of this can clearly be seen in this very thread.


Many of you are also still arguing how active defending of your space against roaming gangs should not be able to actually defend your space. This is totally bizarre to me. I hold sov in this region. My fellow goons live in this region. Am I truly not "allowed" to stop roaming gangs that come to my sov space?


And ratters died by the thousands before these interceptors came along. Deklein and whatever region Test happened hold at the time were farmed day and night by anything from Thrashers to stealth bombers to whatever else. I had absolutely no problems with that. All of those can be combated with active defending of your space and they chose not to do that at the time. This is not the case with 2.0s interceptors as they can only be caught if they make a mistake. Your own skill doesn't matter when fighting these because they have 100% control of every single engagement. It blows my mind how many of you just don't realise what being in control of engagements actually means in game. You can't counter 2.0s interceptor with stuff like Cruisers, AFs, insta locking camps because the interceptors can choose to engage or not. If you look even remotely threatening they can simply ignore you and there is not a single damn thing you can do about it. That is the problem with these gangs.

I do agree that bubbles on gate as a passive defense is annoying and that's why I also, like many others in this thread, suggested that an active counter to nullification. Be it a special DIC/HIC bubble or a time limited mobile structure. Active defending of your space should be able to deal with roaming gangs.

You obviously can't read. I didn't say anything of the sort. I said that we didn't have a problem with interceptor gangs. I certainly didn't state that we kill <2.0s interceptors with ease nor did I say we slaughter >2.0s interceptor gangs. What I did say is we kill interceptor gangs that come to Provi and we do. In each engagement with each fleet we kill a few at most but we persist in engaging and chasing them which, in the long run, makes it less fun for them so they don't keep doing it.

lol, what? That only just about makes sense. In answer to your last question, only if you can. If you can't then no. Just because you have sov it doesn't mean you actually control the space unless you control it. As many have said, this isn't as much of a problem as you and other goons seem to be making out it is but hell, whining to CCP to change things because you can't use skill and tactics like others do has served you well in the past so go right on whining. You never know, CCP might listen to you this time as well.