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[PIE] Kameira Program

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Arnulf Ogunkoya
Clan Ogunkoya
Electus Matari
#41 - 2014-04-10 22:36:50 UTC
Kale Silence wrote:
Arnulf Ogunkoya wrote:
Because if you want something obliterated you use clones in powered armour.

If you want territory held you use regular troops. If you want a minimum of discipline issues you use elite formations like Kameiras or Vaklear.

Is that supposed to be an insult? It looks like you're praising Kameiras to me.
I don't agree with what they were created to serve. That does not mean I should be blind to how well they serve it. I am praising their effectiveness, not their morality.

Regards, Arnulf Ogunkoya.

Raphael Ordo
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
#42 - 2014-04-14 08:11:33 UTC
This program has already proven to free several Kameiras back into service.
The PIE ground forces, Praetoriani Classiarii Templares, has made this official on the immortal soldiers equivalence:

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2053157#post2053157

May God give peace and patience those left forgotten in the vast hangars of uncaring capsuleers.
PIE would like to thank all of those who have already come forward, released and aided in this cause.
Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#43 - 2014-04-14 17:45:43 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:

Goa Chai wrote:
Yes, bulky antiquated ship designs and the need to borrow weapon systems from other factions then retrofit them onto your existing fleets to remain competitive reflects that.


Congratulations, you have just summarized Minmater ship design in one sentence.


I do not want to take anything away from the ignorance of Goa's statement when I point out the ignorance in yours.

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.

Arista Shahni
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#44 - 2014-04-14 19:00:49 UTC
I have nearly three dozen individual Kameiras that have been in my employ - via CONCORD regulation counted among my assets. These hardened solo veterans were aquired in Jita singularly as discovered and have been kept in training programs and other forms of security detail that were at one time required when I resided in Empire space.

The news of this program comes at a fortunate time, and I would like more information in regards to this plan sent to me at the earliest convienence.

Transport of these individuals can be considered moderately risky due to their ISK value in the capsuleer population-at-large -- my own ship came under violent risk taking them out of the Jita station due to their presence on cargo scans -- and I am therefore concerned about their safety in regards to being transported into a proper military program through open space - CONCORD defended or no.

"I say that even as the holy and the righteous cannot rise beyond the highest which is in each one of you - so the wicked and the weak cannot fall lower than the lowest which is in you also.  And as a single leaf turns not yellow but with the silent knowledge of the whole tree, so the wrong-doer cannot do wrong without the hidden will of you all."

Lady Katherine Devonshire
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#45 - 2014-04-14 19:05:22 UTC
Nauplius wrote:
God demands blood sacrifice to wash away your sins and prove yourselves worthy of a new Reclaiming.


Many of the Faithful are in complete agreement, though the general consensus is that this sacrifice should begin & end with you.
Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#46 - 2014-04-15 19:34:24 UTC
Re-asking,

ALL Kameiras?

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.

Marth Young
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#47 - 2014-04-15 20:29:10 UTC
Ayallah wrote:
Re-asking,

ALL Kameiras?


It sounds like you are asking if they should be dead or alive.
Diana Kim
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry
Templis CALSF
#48 - 2014-04-15 20:49:20 UTC
Ayallah wrote:
Re-asking,

ALL Kameiras?

Don't worry, when you get into my custody, I will donate you too! Blink

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Merdaneth
Angel Wing.
#49 - 2014-04-16 07:38:06 UTC
You are calling upon *ALL* pilots to deliver their Kameiras to PIE.

According to my information Captain Fierach still has a sizeable personal guard with does not seem to be accounted for in the PIE Initial Group.
Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
Of Questionable Repute
#50 - 2014-04-16 11:25:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Ava Starfire
Guys!

Guys!!

I am totally going to kidnap a shitload of Amarrians, hold them hostage and subject them to maltreatment for a few hundred years, indoctrinate them, brainwash them, and then convince them to fight for me. Oh, right! I will probably subject them to dodgy medical research and genetic modifications too!

You'll all help me and congratulate me right? Coooools!

Yay! This is fun!

Reclaiming the poor heathens is what we must do!

"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"

Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#51 - 2014-04-16 14:25:24 UTC
Marth Young wrote:

It sounds like you are asking if they should be dead or alive.


Incorrect.

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.

Laerise
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
#52 - 2014-04-22 20:30:26 UTC
Merdaneth wrote:
You are calling upon *ALL* pilots to deliver their Kameiras to PIE.

According to my information Captain Fierach still has a sizeable personal guard with does not seem to be accounted for in the PIE Initial Group.


Where I come from noone raises an exebrow at a personal guard of a mere threehundred. They do perform their duties admirably and are on constant standby in the Throne Worlds in any case...
Ston Momaki
Disciples of Ston
#53 - 2014-05-11 17:28:40 UTC
I am posting here today just to remind PIE that we who have been initial participants in the Kameiras program are very eager to hear a preliminary report as to how it is going. I know you all are very busy, but we would be grateful for news. Thanks.

The Disciples of Ston bid you peace

Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#54 - 2014-05-11 18:35:40 UTC
I will relay your request to Captain Shutaq, Mr. Momaki.
ValentinaDLM
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#55 - 2014-05-11 20:20:30 UTC  |  Edited by: ValentinaDLM
Ava Starfire wrote:
Guys!

Guys!!

I am totally going to kidnap a shitload of Amarrians, hold them hostage and subject them to maltreatment for a few hundred years, indoctrinate them, brainwash them, and then convince them to fight for me. Oh, right! I will probably subject them to dodgy medical research and genetic modifications too!

You'll all help me and congratulate me right? Coooools!

Yay! This is fun!

Reclaiming the poor heathens is what we must do!


I don't know how I missed this post, I would bet real isk Ava, if you did that you would find your fair share of congratulations from a certain percentage of people.

If it makes you feel any better, none of the human capital I procure is delivered to PIE or any of it's subsidiaries.
Diana Kim
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry
Templis CALSF
#56 - 2014-05-12 05:27:25 UTC
Ava Starfire wrote:
Guys!

Guys!!

I am totally going to kidnap a shitload of Amarrians, hold them hostage and subject them to maltreatment for a few hundred years, indoctrinate them, brainwash them, and then convince them to fight for me. Oh, right! I will probably subject them to dodgy medical research and genetic modifications too!

You'll all help me and congratulate me right? Coooools!

Yay! This is fun!

Reclaiming the poor heathens is what we must do!

I don't think it will work. All peoples are different.
It simply won't work, for example, for Caldari, because Caldari will prefer death to coward surrender and working for the enemy.

As well, Amarrians are very different from Minmatars, and if this tactics worked against Minmatars, it doesn't mean it will work against Amarrians. You see, Amarr faith is incredibly strong one, and you forgot to add this factor to the equation.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Jurou Yuan
Wolfraam 74
#57 - 2014-05-12 10:40:13 UTC
I'm sure years upon years of indoctrination have had zero effect on you whatsoever, Diana. You'd be fighting for the Gallente if you had been born on that side of the border.

Don't underestimate what a life of being told selective pieces of information can do to people. It is a extremely effective form of enslavement.
Diana Kim
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry
Templis CALSF
#58 - 2014-05-12 11:04:11 UTC
Jurou Yuan wrote:
I'm sure years upon years of indoctrination have had zero effect on you whatsoever, Diana. You'd be fighting for the Gallente if you had been born on that side of the border.

Don't underestimate what a life of being told selective pieces of information can do to people. It is a extremely effective form of enslavement.

I would never!
I am not that stupid to believe gallentean propaganda!

Unlike gallenteans, I am a human and a person. I can watch and analyze information. Propaganda is useless against me.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Jurou Yuan
Wolfraam 74
#59 - 2014-05-12 11:18:11 UTC
Diana you are the most indoctrinated person around. If this is a genetic element, you would without a doubt be just as full of zeal for a different empire or group had you been exposed early enough.

This isn't a slight against you. You back up what you say and do your job. The reasons you do said job however are shallow.
Diana Kim
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry
Templis CALSF
#60 - 2014-05-12 13:00:58 UTC
Jurou Yuan wrote:
Diana you are the most indoctrinated person around. If this is a genetic element, you would without a doubt be just as full of zeal for a different empire or group had you been exposed early enough.

This isn't a slight against you. You back up what you say and do your job. The reasons you do said job however are shallow.

The only swallow things are contents of your head after Kuvakei's manipulations.

And the program, running in your head, is rather predictable: "Oh, Diana can think, she can figure out what Sansha can do, she always screams at sansha and kills us in great numbers? Lets just say she is indoctrinated, so dumb-head readers will believe me, they will hate her, love sansha, close eyes on all atrocities we do, they will become dumber and might even join nation!"

But your plan won't work, because real humans are curious, they can ask questions and think, for example, "what if Diana really has some reasons, and that Sansha just loudmouths dangerous to nation elements according to his program?" Humans will ask and understand.

And Sansha drones will continue running their stupid programs in ignorance.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.