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[Kronos] Pirate Faction Frigates

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Dun'Gal
Myriad Contractors Inc.
#1501 - 2014-04-09 04:36:08 UTC
suicide wrote:
IMO the Worm, Gila, Rattlesnake could use some drone velocity and tracking bonuses to really accentuate their very narrow drone specialization.

They can only use one type of drone effectively. With that narrow a specialization they better be damn good at it.

Well the drones themselves are actually getting a speed boost anyway, and iirc just shooting targets becomes a problem when they make drones too fast (ie they mwd in and out of range too quickly to actually shoot stuff,) so I would think a further velocity bonus may push them over the edge. That said the drones these ships are carrying will be "super drones" so the extra tracking probably isn't necessary as they will already do much more damage over time anyway.
HiddenPorpoise
Jarlhettur's Drop
United Federation of Conifers
#1502 - 2014-04-09 06:00:05 UTC
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:
Algos and Dragoons get used no where as often as Catalysts or Thrashers. Don't believe me? Go check the trading volume of them.

Vexors are the only one you mention that actually works, but they use hybrids and sentries, so they can apply damage instantly.

I'm worried that you are in goon and don't know why that is.
Vexors only fit sentries in niche fits. But they tend to be on top of their targets webbing them where drone speed doesn't matter.
Shepard Wong Ogeko
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#1503 - 2014-04-09 08:02:00 UTC
HiddenPorpoise wrote:
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:
Algos and Dragoons get used no where as often as Catalysts or Thrashers. Don't believe me? Go check the trading volume of them.

Vexors are the only one you mention that actually works, but they use hybrids and sentries, so they can apply damage instantly.

I'm worried that you are in goon and don't know why that is.
Vexors only fit sentries in niche fits. But they tend to be on top of their targets webbing them where drone speed doesn't matter.


Being a goon tends to worry a lot of people.
Luwc
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1504 - 2014-04-09 09:07:15 UTC
Can i has EFT files ?

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Caval Marten
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1505 - 2014-04-09 22:52:56 UTC
So considering there has been more dev replies in one day in the cruisers thread than in two weeks in this thread should we all just resign to the fact that this is a done deal? It's sad because I have to assume pirate frigates get flown alot more than pirate cruisers but are getting less attention to feedback.

I think at this point it will be up to us to shame CCP once these frigs are on the test server. :keeps looking at the Cruor
Dun'Gal
Myriad Contractors Inc.
#1506 - 2014-04-10 07:26:24 UTC
Caval Marten wrote:
So considering there has been more dev replies in one day in the cruisers thread than in two weeks in this thread should we all just resign to the fact that this is a done deal? It's sad because I have to assume pirate frigates get flown alot more than pirate cruisers but are getting less attention to feedback.

I think at this point it will be up to us to shame CCP once these frigs are on the test server. :keeps looking at the Cruor

Fly them as much as you can pre-patch and enjoy them now. I'm calling this whole Pirate faction rebalance fiasco a failure now. And I would doubt even if they realize it's a failure after launch they will do anything worthwhile to fix it.
Nyancat Audeles
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1507 - 2014-04-10 23:34:30 UTC
The Dramiel still sucks compared to other Pirate Faction frigates Cry
Flyinghotpocket
Small Focused Memes
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#1508 - 2014-04-11 05:18:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Flyinghotpocket
Nyancat Audeles wrote:
The Dramiel still sucks compared to other Pirate Faction frigates Cry

its not worse than the cruor

CCP frigates are the most flown thing in lowsec right now. do not let the cruor get rabalanced with these stats.

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Buckethead bot
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1509 - 2014-04-13 17:52:16 UTC
so basicly nerfing a cruor. Good idea
Syrias Bizniz
some random local shitlords
#1510 - 2014-04-13 18:44:53 UTC
Yay, Dramiel getting somewhat viable!
Flyinghotpocket
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#1511 - 2014-04-13 20:42:58 UTC
just did some pvp in the current cruor. in a frigate fight even with the 90% web the damn ship still misses like 30% of its shots. and your gonna make it a frakkin 60% web? this thing will miss half its shots constantly.

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Cledus Snowman Snow
Doomheim
#1512 - 2014-04-14 02:01:03 UTC
Hello CCP
And will the Rat faction noob ships be getting same work over as the rest of the rat ships? For their cost I would hope you do not forget to love them too.
Caval Marten
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1513 - 2014-04-14 05:04:30 UTC
Flyinghotpocket wrote:
just did some pvp in the current cruor. in a frigate fight even with the 90% web the damn ship still misses like 30% of its shots. and your gonna make it a frakkin 60% web? this thing will miss half its shots constantly.


At least now you have a chance to bring another ship into neut range. I wonder what kind of solo pvp CCP expects it to do post change.

..and if I hear the suggestion that it will work well in gangs/fleets I may go nuts Shocked
Dun'Gal
Myriad Contractors Inc.
#1514 - 2014-04-14 07:32:51 UTC
Caval Marten wrote:
Flyinghotpocket wrote:
just did some pvp in the current cruor. in a frigate fight even with the 90% web the damn ship still misses like 30% of its shots. and your gonna make it a frakkin 60% web? this thing will miss half its shots constantly.


At least now you have a chance to bring another ship into neut range. I wonder what kind of solo pvp CCP expects it to do post change.

..and if I hear the suggestion that it will work well in gangs/fleets I may go nuts Shocked

lol, you know what else works well in fleets? Virtually every other ship that can also use a web, AND for a fraction of the cost, balance at its finest.
Arthur Aihaken
Kenshin Academia.
Kenshin Shogunate.
#1515 - 2014-04-14 12:12:33 UTC
Caval Marten wrote:
..and if I hear the suggestion that it will work well in gangs/fleets I may go nuts Shocked

This is going to be awesome in small gangs! Roll

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Flyinghotpocket
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#1516 - 2014-04-14 16:15:59 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Caval Marten wrote:
..and if I hear the suggestion that it will work well in gangs/fleets I may go nuts Shocked

This is going to be awesome in small gangs! Roll

you no whats better than the proposed cruor? a triple neut tristan, hell even a double neut tristan. gets the SAME dps. slightly less neuting power, but hey you no what? its only 10 MIL. in small gangs this ship is better. drones chase the target for dps, there no waiting to get into laser range.

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Nyancat Audeles
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1517 - 2014-04-14 23:15:34 UTC
How much will the Dramiel warp increase by?
Syrias Bizniz
some random local shitlords
#1518 - 2014-04-15 14:09:44 UTC
50%, going up to 7.5 AU/s. 'Faction Ceptor' so to say.
Lich Reaper
Baba Yagas
The Initiative.
#1519 - 2014-04-16 02:26:41 UTC
These changes are cool, but none of them actually justify the price of these ships.

The Cruor has the worst change of all. Why would I need 20km webs when i can barely shoot and neut/nos past scram range? This is a worthless 'bonus' that is justifiable on a bhaalgorn maybe... but not the frig version.

For the record, all these ships will still suck compared to the dramiel and daredevil if their prices stay the same.
Flyinghotpocket
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#1520 - 2014-04-16 03:35:57 UTC
Lich Reaper wrote:
These changes are cool, but none of them actually justify the price of these ships.

The Cruor has the worst change of all. Why would I need 20km webs when i can barely shoot and neut/nos past scram range? This is a worthless 'bonus' that is justifiable on a bhaalgorn maybe... but not the frig version.

For the record, all these ships will still suck compared to the dramiel and daredevil if their prices stay the same.

a triple neut tristan will own a DD. just sayin its 1/10th the price of the cruor.

but ya most of these changes suck. the DD needs a 100% damage bonus reduction so it can sorta of be on par with the damn cruor

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