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Gankology, Highsec and EVE: View from an Anti-Ganker

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Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
CODE.
#41 - 2014-04-15 15:16:20 UTC
Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:
Believe me, nothing would make the high sec content creators happier than not being able to drop corp during a wardec, or having the wardec follow people that drop until the war ends.



One can only dream.....

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And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

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Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2014-04-15 15:28:23 UTC
My world is spinning out of control. First OP logs a post that would have James 315 saying, "Damn, does this guy think he's George R. R. Martin with the length of these posts?" And now Cannibal Kane posts something besides "See you soon..." and requires multiple paragraph breaks! I can only assume his Legion was in for its 6 month overhaul at the time. I wonder if the Amarr support crew even know what to do with a Legion that lasts as long as Kane has had his? I bet they secretly give him a new one each time just so he won't shove them out the airlock.

The anti-ganking crowd certainly needs some help mounting an effective resistance. You need a strategy, tactics, and a leader who can inspire the troops to beat their strip miners into turrets. Solecist Project has never had any love for miner gankers or the New Order and he's a smart dude. Maybe he can lead the anti-gankers to glory? Of course they'll have to look past his extremely condescending attitude towards anyone who is not Solecist Project. Considering how fragile the average miner ego seems to be, this is a tall request.

Maybe Azov Rassau could be the hero the anti-gankers need? The problem with being the anti-James is, James is more than mountains of text and funny commentary on carebear tears. He is a man with a well thought out plan that fits within the game rules, in fact takes maximum advantage of those rules, to accomplish his goals. Do you have such a plan? Do you have the charisma to rally enough pilots to your cause? And do you have a cool blog to publish your exploits? (that last one was a joke.. sort of.. I like reading about Eve.. make a cool blog).

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."

Voyager Arran
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#43 - 2014-04-15 15:48:34 UTC
Balshem Rozenzweig wrote:
Kristopher Rocancourt wrote:
did not read all of OP drivel.
Im guessing it is "i am butthurt i got ganxed and have a plan that will fail"


not really. He's more like trying to be anti-James315. He's called inexperienced or naive (cba to check the facts) but it's a good read actually. I mean - just look at it. It's at least elaborative.

I would be more impressed if he's point was to blow a catalyst before the concord came, but again - how feasible could it be? As someone pointed - anti-gank opportunities are much more rare than gank ones.

So... it's just another guy creating content and putting some RP goals for other people to follow. He's also giving away ideas you might not like but it's still a way to pass the time pleasurably.


Anti-Ganking comes with its own set of legitimate problems.

To begin with, you can't really be proactive about protecting yourselves beyond fitting your ships intelligently, since gankers generally aren't vulnerable until they've actually started murdering people (either because they aren't criminals yet or they use bookmarks and warpins intelligently). That means any defense has to be purely reactionary, but also able to respond effectively within a window of ~15 seconds. To put it succinctly, that sucks.

Even assuming you're trying to protect your miners in a ship that could do more than whore on Concord KMs (oh god are people bad about this) and are comfortable sacrificing the extra income from a character that could have been mining, the actual gameplay is mind-numbing. You're just chilling there in your Scorpion or whatever, attentively at the keyboard doing literally nothing for indefinite periods of time in the hopes that gankers will show up for you to foil.


I don't think it's realistic to expect a combat pilot to stare at other people's mining lasers for long periods of time while experiencing no gameplay of his own.
Vic Jefferson
ElitistOps
Snuffed Out
#44 - 2014-04-15 17:03:38 UTC
Voyager Arran wrote:
To begin with, you can't really be proactive about protecting yourselves beyond fitting your ships intelligently, since gankers generally aren't vulnerable until they've actually started murdering people (either because they aren't criminals yet or they use bookmarks and warpins intelligently). That means any defense has to be purely reactionary, but also able to respond effectively within a window of ~15 seconds. To put it succinctly, that sucks..


Plenty of ways to be proactive about protecting yourself. The anti-gankers are just terrible at actually educating people, compared to the various nice people handing out catalysts and good common sense.

Voyager Arran wrote:
I don't think it's realistic to expect a combat pilot to stare at other people's mining lasers for long periods of time while experiencing no gameplay of his own.


Anti-gankers literally have an omnipresent army of cloaked falcons surrounding them at all times; Anti-gankers never were interested in this 'combat' notion from the start. Most of the time they don't even cloak - they just sit there with a poorly fit ship in the belts....but this is just fine with me most of the time. Big smile

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Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley
SniggWaffe
WAFFLES.
#45 - 2014-04-15 17:40:32 UTC
Cannibal Kane wrote:
The one thing I find ironic however.

So what?

You mention you are the ire and bane of suicide gankers. You have 82 kills over the last 10 months which 70% of them are catalyst. A total kill value of 1.4 Billion isk (We can be this accurate since Code API's their losses and kills. The code has been around for longer then 10 months which bring in to question you were one of the first to see James 315 movement and sprang into action. I would also question your statement that you disrupted a gank as concord popped them You would have had more then 1 kill for the entire 2014.

Your total kill worth is not even 1% of what the Code kills over a month.

All I ask from the ANti-Ganing crowd is Context... You keep posting small kills without giving context about what was killed in the process. Congrats, you killed a catalyst, did you prevent them from doing what they intended no? No.

I see guys in AG Channel posting a kill with concord in it but never mention that the same Catalyst just popped a 233mil Ship and maybe few hundred mill pod.

Now leaving glaringly large holes in your story and lack of abilities you seem to have aside I will move on to the Ant-Ganking crowd itself, specially those that are part of of the Ant-Ganking Channel.

You guys are poison, rude, and ineffective.

I said rude.. why?

I have never been insulted or verbally assaulted as I have been in that Channel. I find it absolutely amazing how heavy the air in that channel is of contempt for others. Normally I don't mind the insults but some of them has been so bad I had to log petitions due to the nature of the personal attacks. Which is why you have not seen those guys in the channel for the past month.

I say Poison.. why?

Your falsehood, your lack of ability and knowledge will poison the mind of new players. There is a remarkable difference between the new players in your channel and those from Monks and myself BU channel. Our guys are expressing their fun their gratitude for guidance and always busy with something new and exciting helping where we can. In the AG channel I have never met a more miserable bunch new players. The are ill informed, given into misconceptions, those in the channel that give "advice" lack the knowledge themselves. When I send the person a mail telling him what he is saying he is wrong and explaining how it works it is said in channel I am grieving people with mails.

One of the new players guys in that channel was very vocal about the type of person I might be in that channel, based off what others in that channel told. It took 1 war and several convo for him to realize I have helped him more with advice and fitting to better protect himself in that 3 days then 2 months of sitting in that channel. He told me he realized how poison the air in that channel is and it was ruining his game experience. He close the AG channel and is now enjoying his game play asking me advice as he goes along.

I say Ineffective.. why?

Your entire post is one example and my very first part of my post. You guys lack the ability to work together.

I don't have corps members but I have no issue to drop what I am doing and quickly assisting a new player or a group of players achieve a goal. You guys are ineffective because you lack the ability and trust within each other to actually work together to achieve something. You prefer grand standing about a few catalyst kills even if the target worth billions more was popped. You prefer grand standing even about "look, I killed a catalyst when it ganked somebody" even though he would have died to concord anyway.

Everybody in that channel pretends to be a leader in their field they talk about their combat ability but says nothing in that channel and never logs on when I wardec them. Ask the Lil Gangril what he did when he was boasting about how good he is. 5 minutes after I wardecced him he left corp. I could mention many more who talk the same big game but wont lift a finger to help the corps I wardecced.

That is the type of people you are dealing with in AG. Talkers

I don't really understand the reason for your post but you have prolly done more harm to your so called anti ganking movement by posting this drivel since most people here are relatively smart. This is not the AG Channel after all.


Shocked slowclap and a beer for you sir.
Maxmillian Rokatansky
Doomheim
#46 - 2014-04-15 18:05:01 UTC
Mr Kane, I agree with the majority of the opinions you expressed in your posts with a few execptions.
Unlike those who frequent the AG channel I do not have anything against ganking as a game mechanic.
My fight is and always has been against the intellectual idea of the CODE. It is my belief that ganking is a valid tactic to use in this fight and as a result of this my assoiciates and I have been considered to be no better then CODE by those in the AG community and many of us have been banned from the channel.

You mentioned how James 315 does not go around telling people how good he is at combat, this has not been my experience.
I recall blog posts that mention invincible stabbers and undefeated combat records, sadly we probably will never know the truth of it due to the unlikelihood of any player getting past his questions three and all the other strange tasks people are asked to accomplish before he agrees to engage in combat.

I did not intend insult anyones intelligence when I posted about the" elite" members of CODE.
I was simply trying to show the similarities in behaviors between those that consider themselves elite and the the people they prey upon. It seems I too have a dry sense of humour like the OP mentioned.

That brings me to another opinion you expressed about the toxic atmosphere prevaliant in the AG channel, I have noticed this as well and while it is unfortunate can you honestly tell me that it is any better or worse then the active disdain, open mockery and hatefilled comments heaped upon hi-sec miners in the MB chat channel? I hope some of you can agree that for any group of players to display these behaviours against any other group due to their chosen playstyle is a bit out of order.

lastly, I think your comments about residing in an NPC corp may be a bit unjustifiable. Unlike many of the characters in these forums who are in NPC corps and only come here to troll, this is my character and it is possible to contact me in game if you wish to do so. Many people chose to stay in NPC corps for various reasons and there are even active CODE agents that still reside in them. This is the character I use for some of my anti-code activities and while Im aware of the negative and mocking
posts such a comment as that could invite, if everyone would recall a now famous capsuleer who started out alone in a bumping stabber in a small backwater system called Halaima,
everybody has to start somewhere.
Haedonism Bot
Revolutionary Front
#47 - 2014-04-15 18:23:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Haedonism Bot
Maxmillian Rokatansky wrote:
can you honestly tell me that it is any better or worse then the active disdain, open mockery and hatefilled comments heaped upon hi-sec miners in the MB chat channel?


Funny, I've been in that channel for over a year now and have never noticed anything of the sort. You must be in a different time zone than I am. (Either that or you're just full of ****.)

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Maxmillian Rokatansky
Doomheim
#48 - 2014-04-15 18:35:37 UTC
Haedonism Bot wrote:
Maxmillian Rokatansky wrote:
can you honestly tell me that it is any better or worse then the active disdain, open mockery and hatefilled comments heaped upon hi-sec miners in the MB chat channel?


Funny, I've been in that channel for over a year now and have never noticed anything of the sort. You must be in a different time zone than I am. (Either that or you're just full of ****.)

It may in fact be a matter of different timezones. Thanks for the typical CODE "our people can do no wrong, it must be you " reply.
I wait with eager anticipation for many more of the same sort.
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#49 - 2014-04-15 18:47:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Cannibal Kane
Maxmillian Rokatansky wrote:
Haedonism Bot wrote:
Maxmillian Rokatansky wrote:
can you honestly tell me that it is any better or worse then the active disdain, open mockery and hatefilled comments heaped upon hi-sec miners in the MB chat channel?


Funny, I've been in that channel for over a year now and have never noticed anything of the sort. You must be in a different time zone than I am. (Either that or you're just full of ****.)

It may in fact be a matter of different timezones. Thanks for the typical CODE "our people can do no wrong, it must be you " reply.
I wait with eager anticipation for many more of the same sort.


Oh the MB guys are no angels for sure. I am sure you get the few morons. Every group has them. I just have to meet one during my TZ.

But I have neverseen anybody in MB or BU that go around attacking people personally nor are they calling people thing I would not mention here. The personal insults is not something that is done by the odd person here or there... but a lot of them that are active in the AG channel.

Unlike the MB and BU channel though those guys are the majority. The minority in AG is a bit more sensible in their approach towards others. Oddly enough it is those that actually come from a wardec/PVP background. I have actually seen some of the more active locals attack these guys or strait ban them when they point something out that is incorrect.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#50 - 2014-04-15 19:26:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
I'm going to have to agree with the venerable Mr Kane here, I hang around in the MB channel, and have done so for over a year. Despite being a dyed in the wool PvE style player I've not come across anything more than the occasional ribbing being aimed at me, regardless of TZ (insomnia, I play Eve at really odd times of the day/night).

I've not been in the anti gankers channel, although TBH given the sort of hatred and vitriol I see being spewed against gankers elsewhere that's probably something I should be grateful for. At least the gankers don't label people as *insert medical term of choice*paths or assume that actions within the game are a reflection of what a person is like in real life.

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Azov Rassau
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The Marmite Collective
#51 - 2014-04-15 19:38:10 UTC
Cannibal Kane: Firstly, thanks for sharing your (correct and wrong) ideas and contributing to the discussion. I don't disagree with you about the lack of organization on our side.

Having read your entire post now, it looks like your general opinion on the AG community is entirely based on observations over a single chat channel and a war-evading player.

And I notice, you (not only compare it to an alliance, but also) comment my online kill Board without knowing that I'm far from being a very active, hardcore PvP player.

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Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#52 - 2014-04-15 19:58:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Cannibal Kane
Azov Rassau wrote:
Cannibal Kane: Firstly, thanks for sharing your (correct and wrong) ideas and contributing to the discussion. I don't disagree with you about the lack of organization on our side.

Having read your entire post now, it looks like your general opinion on the AG community is entirely based on observations over a single chat channel and a war-evading player.

And I notice, you (not only compare it to an alliance, but also) comment my online kill Board without knowing that I'm far from being a very active, hardcore PvP player.


Yep as stated my observations are only based on those from AG channel and it is only focused on people in that specific channel.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk

BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2014-04-15 20:10:11 UTC
Maxmillian Rokatansky wrote:
Mr Kane, I belive the reason Gangrel dropped corp in the manner he did was to prove a point.
It may have been suggested to him that it is a valid tactic when wardeced to shed corp and reform it again in the name of isk efficiency.
This precedent was set by James 315 himself and was featured in his blog.
Another CODE representative, Mr Bebop Rhubarb something, posted about this very thing recently as well.
Here is the link:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4425497#post4425497
If a tactic is good enough for the self proclaimed supreme leader of hi-sec then it should be good enough for the rest of us.

How I hate being quoted, though I should have expected that one of my trolliest posts would come back to haunt me. I can assure you that the NO and BU communities would much prefer wardecs to prevent capsuleers from leaving corp during wardec. Until this is the case, there is no reason that James shouldn't use the same tactics as our targets do.

Azov Rassau wrote:
Cannibal Kane: Firstly, thanks for sharing your (correct and wrong) ideas and contributing to the discussion. I don't disagree with you about the lack of organization on our side.

Having read your entire post now, it looks like your general opinion on the AG community is entirely based on observations over a single chat channel and a war-evading player.

And I notice, you (not only compare it to an alliance, but also) comment my online kill Board without knowing that I'm far from being a very active, hardcore PvP player.

Our "general opinion on the AG community" is based on the fact that we are unaware of any "AG community" other than the one present in the anti-ganking channel. There have been a few failed rebel groups, and though I appreciate the work Whetstone is putting into his (their?) activities, I have yet to encounter him (them?). The vast majority of anti-New Order groups do exactly as Mr. Kane described. They spew a bunch of propaganda into chat, make threats, and if they're really serious, kill a ganker before they disappear into obscurity.

I appreciate your thoughts on the subject of suicide ganking and what counter-measures are available against it. I don't believe that there are any gankers that truly want their targets to be completely helpless to ganks, but the stupidity* and refusal to adapt to ganks make it awfully easy to eliminate targets.

- RhubarbPie

*Stupidity being defined as "Doing the same thing expecting different results."

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Tear Jar
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#54 - 2014-04-15 22:53:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Tear Jar
Nicolas Dupre wrote:
Hmm, you have some good points but also some misconceptions, it's good to see an anti-ganker talking about content creation instead of the usual whining and gloating over whoring on CONCORD killmails without preventing the gank.

This a minor point, but I think you fully understand why our catalysts tend not to have creative names and it has nothing to do with being bot-aspirants: they are not flown for long and very rarely return to a hangar. The ships have throwaway names because they are throwaway ships, as required by highsec aggression mechanics.

Your ideal of ECCM on every catalyst is inefficient, unrealistic and possibly ignorant of the fitting parameters of a gank catalyst, to say nothing of your more "creative" astronomically expensive suggested ganking activities (are you not even aware that we do not get insurance payouts on our ships?) In the first place, there is rarely ECM on grid for our ganks. No, I do not mean 20% of the time, nor 10%, the real figure is well under 1%. A scram is far more important for securing a kill, and multiple scrams in the fleet are better because of the possibility of losing point through ECM or ship destruction (which can sometimes even occur before reaching the target grid, -10 life is unpleasant). You also misunderstand the purpose of sensor boosters, they are not for competing over the pod kill, they are to make the pod kill possible at all under the strict time limit imposed by CONCORD without a dedicated pod catcher, though they also occasionally are the difference between pointing a ship and letting it warp off.

Now about fitting: after 8 light neutron blaster IIs and 3 magnetic field stabilizer IIs we have 24 CPU left to play with if the pilot does not have CA-1 and CA-2, 31.5 if he does (CPU implants are not a reasonable option for a suicide ganker because the small turret damage implants use the same slot and while a CPU rig is possible, it also comes at the cost of dps, which is always the overriding consideration when we are not specifically aware of organised resistance). The best option for increasing the available CPU is swapping some of the blasters for light ion blaster IIs, saving 4.5 CPU each and getting 94% of the dps (but only 80% of the alpha, which does matter under highsec gank conditions even for a rapid firing weapon system like small blasters) of a light neutron blaster II. A scram is 26 CPU, ECCM is 16 CPU, and a sensor booster is 8 CPU. The fitting concessions you have to make to fit ECCM regularly on a catalyst are not worthwhile under normal conditions. In addition to everything above, I will point out that individual gankers do not normally have any freedom in how to fit their ships because the logistics of ganking demand that the FC can provide a very large number of prefitted ships which will work with little or no modification. Inexpensive spare mids for alternative fits in the cargo would be a nice addition but sadly the in game fitting tool does not save modules in cargo, something I would very much like to see as a feature.

I'm glad that players like you are creating content for gankers as we do for miners, but I think you overestimate your influence. We can only gank a small percentage of afk miners, autopiloters and other bot-aspirants at any given time and you can only attempt to stop an even smaller percentage of our gank attempts. If you want us to take pre-emptive measures against your methods as a matter of course, step up your activity, or better try to educate the lazy, whiny, wilfully ignorant players you choose to try to protect. Everything's more fun with some resistance but are you having fun? The only thing more boring than mining is watching someone else mine.

I have not had the fortune of ganking before the last round of CONCORD buffs, but I can sum up what they are currently: completely inflexible space gods who have complete control over your warp drive (from the moment you break a law), your sensors, capacitor and drone bandwidth (from the first response after they arrive on grid) and your insurance firm, making you suffer the full cost of hull replacement unlike every other method of losing a ship. Their armaments are mechanically irrelevant because you are so completely disabled from first response that there is no longer anything you can do to influence the success of the gank, but they have a ship which destroys absolutely anything in one shot because why not. The only variable we consider is the time between the offense and first response, all room for creativity in dealing with CONCORD has been carefully eliminated leaving only a thinly disguised manifestation of two rules: you have a specific number of seconds to execute a gank depending on system security and the status of CONCORD squads already in the system, and you will lose your ship with no compensation. This is boring and forces us to do certain boring things to operate at all.

"Pre-aligning" is a myth btw except in the sense of ensuring that there are no objects that you will bounce off if you attempt to warp. The visual heading of your ship does not affect time to warp.


Personally, I do a fully T2 neutron blaster fit, with Mag stabs and double ECCM. I believe your calculations don't account for the slot 10 implant that decreases the CPU cost of blasters.

The only concessions I have to make are no sensor boosters or warp scrambler.
Tear Jar
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#55 - 2014-04-15 22:57:25 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
I know one ganker that has modified his standard fit to include ECCM in the system he mostly terrorizes, because he has attracted a fairly disruptive fan club.



HI Sabriz.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#56 - 2014-04-15 23:03:41 UTC
I will admit that the minerbumping channel can be a cesspool of trolling sometimes.

I'm in it, after all.

That means you will see links to such annoying videos as "Game Of Thrones Theme Sung By A Cat" (I think there's someone that has threatened to pod me next time we gank together if I link that again), bad 80s songs that get stuck in my head, and mashups.

Mashups silly (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Lm1FL7gWl4) and awesome (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rr06IyWMf4Y).


I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com

Winchester Steele
#57 - 2014-04-16 00:32:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Winchester Steele
I'm So Pretty wrote:
@OP
I'll begin this post by saying I do appreciate your respect for the emergent gameplay that comes from gankplay. Whether I agree with you point by point is irrelevant; most gankers are glad to have folks like you around and prefer your anti-tears to the usual tears that pour our way.

The anti-ganking movement - while commendable - is severely limited in their maximum potential and thus even in theory cannot have as great an affect as you are claiming/hoping. As mentioned before even the ganking movement can only target a small fraction of players within a respectable length of time. The anti-ganking movement can only target a small fraction of a small fraction of players by comparison. Combating ganking through combat is therefore unfeasible.

The correct way to combat ganking is through knowledge. This is why Gevlon Goblin is commonly considered to have had the greatest influence on miners. His vicious campaigns - consisting of mass-scale ganking and information spreading - through constellation after constellation forced the majority of the entire high-sec mining community into EHP fit vessels. The willingness of players to fight against someone they respected caused the rapid increase in anti-ganking movements. The spread of knowledge is the single greatest tool in the anti-gankers arsenal.

The italicized part above brings me to my next response:


@Cannibal Kane
I would like to address the points you made in regards to anti-gankers mistreating you in chat and their lack of will to fight back against your wardecs. As mentioned above, players were willing to suit up against Gevlon Goblin because many of them respected what he was doing. Gevlon never mistreated his victims, never griefed them and never trolled them.

The same cannot be said for the majority of the ganking community. Most will berate their victims, treat them with a lack of respect, and judge them for their style of play. As such the anti-ganking community is largely looking to reduce the fun of the gankers. Since most gankers would welcome the emergent gameplay of a wardec battle, the anti-gankers generally choose to retreat. It is a matter of not wanting to play video games with players that can't show a basic level of respect. While I do not believe this applies to all gankers - you seem respectable enough - it applies to enough of them for the generalization to stick.

As a personal example, a few months back I used to mine quite heavily. There was a group of players ganking in our constellation, roleplaying as the crew from "Robin Hood". Their roleplay was always for fun and they never disrespected any players. As a result they were eventually welcomed by the community. When they'd enter the system, the "combat guys" would ship up and be willing to fight back. They would even have frigate duels against eachother, gankers vs. anti-gankers, with "gf" being distributed in local after close matches.

Until the ganking community stops being a griefing community primarily, the anti-gankers rightfully so should focus on anti-fun gameplay instead of fun emerging gameplay.


@Maxmillian Rokatansky
Are we talking about The Conference Elite? If so, I completely agree! Quite possibly the least intelligent group of players I've come across in EVE. I think what happens is people apply to CODE. and they take an IQ test as part of the application process. If they score below 80, they are invited to join The Conference Elite. Big smile

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You are an NPC alt, therefore your opinion is invalid.

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Winchester Steele
#58 - 2014-04-16 00:44:44 UTC
Haedonism Bot wrote:
Maxmillian Rokatansky wrote:
can you honestly tell me that it is any better or worse then the active disdain, open mockery and hatefilled comments heaped upon hi-sec miners in the MB chat channel?


Funny, I've been in that channel for over a year now and have never noticed anything of the sort. You must be in a different time zone than I am. (Either that or you're just full of ****.)



As a member of MB channel since its inception, I have never heard so much as 1 "hate-filled comment", so going to have to call bullshit on that one. In fact, the people in that channel are some of the kindest and most helpful folks I've ever spoken with in game.

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Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#59 - 2014-04-16 01:24:57 UTC
Maxmillian Rokatansky wrote:
Mr Kane, I agree with the majority of the opinions you expressed in your posts with a few execptions.
Unlike those who frequent the AG channel I do not have anything against ganking as a game mechanic.
My fight is and always has been against the intellectual idea of the CODE. It is my belief that ganking is a valid tactic to use in this fight and as a result of this my assoiciates and I have been considered to be no better then CODE by those in the AG community and many of us have been banned from the channel.



It is in fact a roleplaying game, and CODE does in fact roleplay. The question for the average noncombat player is (a) why in a game about spaceships with guns, and (b) why are you terrible enough to get caught by the code, which merely looking at the screen and pressing warp suffices to avoid (and for the most part CODE player hang around on grid for a bit and let you do that even if you have no idea what neg standings, local and d-scan are for).

Quote:


You mentioned how James 315 does not go around telling people how good he is at combat, this has not been my experience.
I recall blog posts that mention invincible stabbers and undefeated combat records, sadly we probably will never know the truth of it due to the unlikelihood of any player getting past his questions three and all the other strange tasks people are asked to accomplish before he agrees to engage in combat.



he is probably one of the best roleplayers in the game, ie outside of people he knows well, its utterly impossible to say where James the persona even ends, and James the player starts. If you remotely care about that statement, you are completely stuck at James the roleplayer, and that means you are literally trying to communicate something to a character being roleplayed with messianic tendencies. Good luck with that.

Maxmillian Rokatansky
Doomheim
#60 - 2014-04-16 01:42:48 UTC
CODE replys to my comment on unsavory behavior in MB chat seem to be all over the board. What can I say, you guys are nothing if not consistent.
Please give my regards to all the current and former CODE agents whose opinions were carelessly and needlessly invalidated in an instant due to their memberships in NPC corps. If Mr Winchester had only read back in the thread he might have noticed that the NPC corp issue had already been thoroughly discussed and dismissed due to being irelevant to the topic at hand.