Player Features and Ideas Discussion

If people insist on making themselves easy targets the rest of us entitled to take advantage of it.

i made an attempt but it was ignored. most likely a bad idea.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=336555
But instead of banning npc corp membership there should be bonuses for belonging to a decent , well run corp that can hold onto its infrastructure in high sec and rewards for driving others away.

You realize that the shores of the pond also belong to the pond, yes? To put it simpler for you: people on the shores feel the consequences of player activities on the market, mission systems, gank activities. You hopefully also realize that sunbathing on the shores of a pool is also an activity around being on a pond. You hopefully also realize that not everyone can stay on the stage and that the people on the stage need spectators? You also realize that there are people with other premises int he world that divert from CCP Seagul's ideas and that those people still stick around, and that even though people are not in a player corp, try or have tried out all aspects of EVE and figured out that some parts of that is not what they want to play? You hopefully also realize that your suggestions to force people out of NPC corps with violence is certainly not going to convince those players to stick around and that you force them out of the game in a way?

There were many who did not like my previously mentioned post. Take a look at my Killboard. If you go back far enough, you will see that I have never ganked, nor awox'ed another pilot, but I have been ganked early on in my history. My previous post was meant for players that abuse the immunity of NPC Corps. I understand CCP's comment about War Declarations being toward a Corp and not an individual player, but it may be that individual player who is my "prize". I would spend 50m ISK to have that one player drop. Then what? Once the declaration becomes invalid, they rejoin. That my friends, is not how the mechanic should work. Maybe my ideas are a bit absurd, but something has to be done to fix this obvious exploit/loophole.

What I find most disturbing is the amount of pilots in actual Player Corporations defending NPC Corporations. Miners and Gankers alike are using them to as a safe haven. I would make a bet that many of the same player base that defends NPC Corps are violently opposed to ganking. Am I wrong in that assumption. Just another reason I support guys like James 315 more and more each day. If only to show that no one that plays Eve Online is completely immune to another's will as long as that will is directed with enough force and precision.

this wouldn't be a problem for you if you weren't hiding out in hisec. i think all players over a certain age should be forced out of hisec. same dumb logic.

Good luck changing human nature... Will say: You will fail at that. Just have a look at the latest news about corp thefts and you will realize that whatever you introduce to gain more, makes the fall from this heavenly socket all the deeper and all the more undesirable in the first place for most players.

But as said: Good luck.

Dalto, u are very wrong in ur assumption.

i am an industrialist, in a player corp, i have alts in other player corps, and i am very pro PvP, including ganking

NPC's corps keep u out of war decs, nothing else, absolutely nothing else. Wardecs are not the centre of this game. they are tools to attack other corps and their assets. If its not a suitable tool for what u want because ur targeting specific characters and not their stuff, then use something else. Think about why u are targeting these players.

Are they miners moving in on ur patch? bump em, gank em, they'll get the picture. Are they griefers trying to suicide u? set em to bad standings tank ur barges, carry ECM drones, pay attention to local and then the d-scan. Gankers are rife in my area of mining, but after several unsuccessful attempts i think they've just given up on trying to get me. Instead they gank the ppl afk mining, not tanking their barges.

If they make an attempt on u, no matter whether its successful or not, u have a kill right that can be activated for a month. If u cant get him back with that, then a war dec that gives him 24 hours notice wont help u either. And the chances are if hes a regular ganker, he may have several ppl with kill rights against him, offer other miners to take their kill rights off them. If hes a really frequent ganker, he'll be -10.0 and a war dec is meaningless to him anyways.



and this is exactly why forcing ppl under war decs is completely un necessary. if u dont want to kill that specific person enough to suicide gank him, then thats ur choice. if u just want to kill random players, low sec, null sec, WH's. If u want to flex ur PvP muscles with low risk, FW sites are good for that.

But if u want to target non- combat chars in legions backed by RR and command links, no, u cannot have ur cake and eat it too.

TL:DR
NPC corps save no one from PvP. War decs are against player corps. Use the right tool for the right job.

people living in ncp corps ARE making waves in the pond. They mine, they refine, they manufacture items and they sell things to people that aren't willing to take the time to do it themselves. it might be more like being in a kiddy pool, but they are in the pond. they are at risk of getting ganked. they are at risked of duels and they are at risk of being bored to death if they never leave.

The reality is, a lot of those that live in npc corps are alts that aren't taking the risk BECAUSE their mains are under war decs. IF you take away the ability to keep an alt in an npc corp, you take away the ability of a lot of players to make money off safe alts. Many will leave rather than having to spend time making new ships for their wardeced mains every time they get killed while trying to mine.

this assumes that everyone plays the game just to pvp, just as the author does. I assume you meant that that way, as the logical extension of what he is saying.

a lot of people play the game for socializing factor. other play the game because the game allows them to make money that they have no hope of doing in real life. People want to feel successful, even if its only make believe. If they live paycheck to paycheck just to survive, they often turn to games like eve to be able to fulfil that need.

Check my killboard, i have ganked many people and have gone GCC more times than i can count.

This is nothing to do with concord.

Its the fact that players can drop corp and hide from War Dec's