Player Features and Ideas Discussion

What would then be the reason for limiting the compression to non-high sec systems? Previously it was because the only way to compress was by utilizing a barred from high sec cap ship (the rorq providing a much better boost than available with an orca was its major advantage - the advantage of compression in a belt was seldom used). There are no POS modules disallowed in high sec. Why start now? You can already buy compressed ore to freight in high sec ... so you aren't really stopping high seccers from access to better storage or freighting...or even the useless metaphor of possessing compressed ore itself. If they want to haul compressed Veld (why would they?), they could sell uncompressed veld and buy compressed veld with little loss. Might as well just refine it to trit and haul it... and an orca still can't compress ore to haul it out of a belt. There is no point to limiting POS module compression to non-high sec.

If the only reason is because you think the lure of ore compression will bring tons of miners to low sec think again. There is no real world advantage to ore compression other than freight to market or out of a belt. High sec typically does not need to freight long range and they have POS's or stations where they mine ..so they refine where they work. They still can only mine ubiquitous high sec ores at the same given speed as before ... so compression matters little especially because the same lowbie ore is everywhere. Low and null secs have access to better ores and minerals to compress....are you afraid high sec people might buy ABC ores just so they can compress it in high sec.. ...not likely.

I don't believe I've ever seen a Rorqual that wasn't a hood ornament for a POS in WH's or low/null. Letting them in highsec would at minimal let them be seen. That said, I'm also for letting the Rorqual into highsec. Let them off the short leash that ties them to a tower and give something new to miners in high sec.

As far as people who cry because it won't be a exclusive ship for them to own and gloat about, highsec is getting compression regardless of how much you whine and I highly doubt anyone will us it in the place of freighters. I do see there being a slight problem with the capital remote reps, but that looks like a free capital kill to me when they get a weapons timer in the middle of the blob that is Jita 4-4.

Make its jump drive function like jump freighters and watch the prices rise higher and higher on the market as demand goes up.

there is also the ability to use gsc's in the expanded cargo bay.

remove the max boosting from highsec and i would love to see it in highsec.

i would love to see the fitting on that as the rorqual can not use a DCU to augment its 5 drone max capacity.

now, I have been kind of bashing on the idea of the rorq in highsec even though I like part of it, however I probably need to clarify on what my stance is.

I have no problem with the logistical aspects of the rorq being in highsec (large ore hold mostly) however I feel nerfing anything to get the rorq into highsec would simply dissallow any chance of it getting buffed for low/null use.

I would much rather see the orca get buffed to similar stats in its place. It is supposed to be the go-to ship for highsec mining logistics, but has been recently overshadowed by freighters since they now have a way to collect the ore in space. The orca has simply become the "booster" for most organized players and that seems kind of wrong.

TL;DR buff orca instead

Eve is a sandbox. The endgame is what every player thinks it is. I go pewpew with one of my alt with the braves, but at the moment there is nothing that lures me into null, besides a random roam. Still i have fun in eve, something many people seem to forget as goal. And after a long day working i like the chilling side of chewing some rocks while watching tv on another screen. deal with it, nullmonger.

The most objections seems to be about the capital mods. I think it would be possible to just disallow their usage in highsec. There is also an other system with an constraint like that: bombs. So from CCPs side, it seems to be possible to add these properties to cap modules with relative low effort.

Because the rorqual is a dedicated industrial ship, the carrier isn't. For me, this is reason enough. I also don't mind the empire module limits.

A ship's Developer role does not define it's player role. Bait Rorqual's are a very real thing, and can be pretty nasty. Unfortunately, 'dedicated industrial' ship is not reason enough. See also Venture, battle badger, procurer, nereus, etc.


When trying to design a cohesive, in depth environment like CCP has tried to do with Eve, arbitrary limits are bad. Part of the reason Freighters can't go over the 1mil m3 mark, so they can't bring capitals into high sec.

hmm yes I forgot about those; though in truth the moon mining mods are not allowed because moon mining just doesn't work.. I always assumed it was because the moon goo was completely mined out ( lore wise ) As for other "banned" mods, the last time I ran POS's in null or low sec those mods did not exist.

I still think there is absolutely no reason to limit compression modules to null or low sec.. It's not going to make much difference either way as compression is not very useful in high sec unless they can get the compressor into a belt.... might as well allow it the POS module.

Don't forget the somewhat terrifying pvp fits available. Heavy Neuts, capital local rep, heavy drones = one bad a** mother f******. At least for highsec folks anyways.