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N3 Video of Exploit to Gank CFC Titan

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#221 - 2014-04-15 01:47:33 UTC
Avon wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

I wonder what excuse you would have used if N3 was daft enough to put up the bump itself.


I seem to remember you being much better at forums baltec1 - either my memory is failing me or your ability is failing you.


He's gotta be account sharing, or loaded.

Because I can draw a line to that conclusion, or something.

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Avon
#222 - 2014-04-15 01:48:17 UTC
I'm going for a nice cup of tea and a chocolate biscuit.

Someone shout up if any actual evidence arrives.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#223 - 2014-04-15 01:49:32 UTC
Avon wrote:


Someone shout up if any actual evidence arrives.


*crickets*

Mr Epeen Cool
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#224 - 2014-04-15 01:51:14 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Avon wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

I wonder what excuse you would have used if N3 was daft enough to put up the bump itself.


I wouldn't be making excuses if the video showed that they exploited. Exploits are bad.

I seem to remember you being much better at forums baltec1 - either my memory is failing me or your ability is failing you.


Hard to argue a point with someone who ignores evidence put right before them. We can all see the way the ships are moving. We can all see that Vees titan wasnt outside the POS due to it not getting blown up instantly. We can all see the titans being bounced in directions and speeds that indicate a cyno bump. Anyone of my age remembers pos bowling and it looks exactly like what is happening here.

If N3 get away with this even after posting this video then it can only mean pos bowling is now a legit tactic. But hey, its not suprising that the people who post mostly grr goon comments are turning a blind eye to an exploit being used agaist us. Rest assured, if we had done this the mob would be crying for our heads and with a lot less evidence.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#225 - 2014-04-15 01:55:02 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

We wouldnt have an entire fleet petition a titan loss if it was outside the shields, we point and laugh.


I did not see your fleet in that video either.


You honestly think they would try this with a fleet still there?
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#226 - 2014-04-15 02:02:52 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

We wouldnt have an entire fleet petition a titan loss if it was outside the shields, we point and laugh.


I did not see your fleet in that video either.


You honestly think they would try this with a fleet still there?


So, they weren't actually witnesses to the alleged act then?

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#227 - 2014-04-15 02:08:26 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

We wouldnt have an entire fleet petition a titan loss if it was outside the shields, we point and laugh.


I did not see your fleet in that video either.


You honestly think they would try this with a fleet still there?


So, they weren't actually witnesses to the alleged act then?


Why are you looking for any and every excuse to have this not be an exploit?
Travis Musgrat
BURN EDEN
No Therapy
#228 - 2014-04-15 02:13:47 UTC
lol, I didn't know people actually used evo forums
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#229 - 2014-04-15 02:14:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
baltec1 wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

We wouldnt have an entire fleet petition a titan loss if it was outside the shields, we point and laugh.


I did not see your fleet in that video either.


You honestly think they would try this with a fleet still there?


So, they weren't actually witnesses to the alleged act then?


Why are you looking for any and every excuse to have this not be an exploit?



It's starting to make a lot of sense why CCP denied your petitions now.

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Dalto Bane
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#230 - 2014-04-15 02:18:01 UTC
Ninteen Seventy-Nine wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Ninteen Seventy-Nine wrote:
I just wish they'd ban people for discussing open petitions and discussing exploits on the forums

If every forum rule-breaking post led to a ban, there would be no one here.


Good?

I'm sure there would be plenty left.

Hell, it would probably be a good bit less of a cesspool.

That's why there are rules.

Ironic really, flaunting the violation of one set of rules while demanding others be held to another set.

I mean... it's not even the right forum area ffs.

Just "hey we feel self entitled, deal with it while we cry about our ship loss"


On March 30th, you made a post that discussed a petition you sent and the paraphrased response they gave. You are now referring to the moderation of this thread. Pot, meet Kettle..

Some of us find this to be an interesting topic.

Drops Mic
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#231 - 2014-04-15 02:30:02 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Anyone of my age remembers pos bowling and it looks exactly like what is happening here.

If N3 get away with this even after posting this video then it can only mean pos bowling is now a legit tactic. .


This post shows you have absolutely zero knowledge of what POS bowling was.

Let me give you a tiny hint here:


You can't POS bowl anymore because they changed the way the POS shields work, everything else has been and is legal.

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#232 - 2014-04-15 02:32:08 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Avon wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

I wonder what excuse you would have used if N3 was daft enough to put up the bump itself.


I wouldn't be making excuses if the video showed that they exploited. Exploits are bad.

I seem to remember you being much better at forums baltec1 - either my memory is failing me or your ability is failing you.


Hard to argue a point with someone who ignores evidence put right before them. We can all see the way the ships are moving. We can all see that Vees titan wasnt outside the POS due to it not getting blown up instantly. We can all see the titans being bounced in directions and speeds that indicate a cyno bump. Anyone of my age remembers pos bowling and it looks exactly like what is happening here.

If N3 get away with this even after posting this video then it can only mean pos bowling is now a legit tactic. But hey, its not suprising that the people who post mostly grr goon comments are turning a blind eye to an exploit being used agaist us. Rest assured, if we had done this the mob would be crying for our heads and with a lot less evidence.

Baltec, if the video in question showed someone pos bowling no one would question that an exploit happened, the titan need to be replaced, and the people responsible banned.

As it stands, the provided video supports one of two conclusions:
1) The titan was bumped just inside the POS shield - Exploit.
2) The titan was bumped just outside the POS shield - Not Exploit.

You claim that the titan must have been inside the POS for ~reasons~ but provide no supporting evidence of that. Maybe after whatever op Vee went afk and drifted out of the POS. Stranger stuff has happened.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#233 - 2014-04-15 02:33:56 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Grath Telkin wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Anyone of my age remembers pos bowling and it looks exactly like what is happening here.

If N3 get away with this even after posting this video then it can only mean pos bowling is now a legit tactic. .


This post shows you have absolutely zero knowledge of what POS bowling was.

Let me give you a tiny hint here:


You can't POS bowl anymore because they changed the way the POS shields work, everything else has been and is legal.


Its come in many forms, this is simply the latest.
So you think this is a legit tactic then to bump titan out of a pos?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#234 - 2014-04-15 02:36:25 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
PotatoOverdose wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Avon wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

I wonder what excuse you would have used if N3 was daft enough to put up the bump itself.


I wouldn't be making excuses if the video showed that they exploited. Exploits are bad.

I seem to remember you being much better at forums baltec1 - either my memory is failing me or your ability is failing you.


Hard to argue a point with someone who ignores evidence put right before them. We can all see the way the ships are moving. We can all see that Vees titan wasnt outside the POS due to it not getting blown up instantly. We can all see the titans being bounced in directions and speeds that indicate a cyno bump. Anyone of my age remembers pos bowling and it looks exactly like what is happening here.

If N3 get away with this even after posting this video then it can only mean pos bowling is now a legit tactic. But hey, its not suprising that the people who post mostly grr goon comments are turning a blind eye to an exploit being used agaist us. Rest assured, if we had done this the mob would be crying for our heads and with a lot less evidence.

Baltec, if the video in question showed someone pos bowling no one would question that an exploit happened, the titan need to be replaced, and the people responsible banned.

As it stands, the provided video supports one of two conclusions:
1) The titan was bumped just inside the POS shield - Exploit.
2) The titan was bumped just outside the POS shield - Not Exploit.

You claim that the titan must have been inside the POS for ~reasons~ but provide no supporting evidence of that. Maybe after whatever op Vee went afk and drifted out of the POS. Stranger stuff has happened.


Again, if he was outside the pos why would they cyno right on top of him to bump him through the pos rather than cyno in at range and just DD him?
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#235 - 2014-04-15 02:38:15 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Grath Telkin wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Anyone of my age remembers pos bowling and it looks exactly like what is happening here.

If N3 get away with this even after posting this video then it can only mean pos bowling is now a legit tactic. .


This post shows you have absolutely zero knowledge of what POS bowling was.

Let me give you a tiny hint here:


You can't POS bowl anymore because they changed the way the POS shields work, everything else has been and is legal.


So you think this is a legit tactic then to bump titan out of a pos?


Of course its legit, we've done it several dozen times, its 100% legit, and when they put the newest exploit notification out this summer they were very specific about it being a legit tactic still to bump them out of a pos.

Pretty sure everybody (CFC included) have bumped titans out of POS's before.


Its not POS bowling either, that was something entirely different that related to the shields being semi permeable even without the pass word, you could charge in, and like a rubber band you'd stretch in then get flung back out, on the way in using a big enough ship would fling the things out.

That is POS bowling, bumping a titan out of a tower isn't that, its just that, using your knowledge of the POS pw to your advantage and bouncing the AFK titan out.

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#236 - 2014-04-15 02:41:58 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Grath Telkin wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Anyone of my age remembers pos bowling and it looks exactly like what is happening here.

If N3 get away with this even after posting this video then it can only mean pos bowling is now a legit tactic. .


This post shows you have absolutely zero knowledge of what POS bowling was.

Let me give you a tiny hint here:


You can't POS bowl anymore because they changed the way the POS shields work, everything else has been and is legal.


So you think this is a legit tactic then to bump titan out of a pos?


Of course its legit, we've done it several dozen times, its 100% legit, and when they put the newest exploit notification out this summer they were very specific about it being a legit tactic still to bump them out of a pos.

Pretty sure everybody (CFC included) have bumped titans out of POS's before.


Its not POS bowling either, that was something entirely different that related to the shields being semi permeable even without the pass word, you could charge in, and like a rubber band you'd stretch in then get flung back out, on the way in using a big enough ship would fling the things out.

That is POS bowling, bumping a titan out of a tower isn't that, its just that, using your knowledge of the POS pw to your advantage and bouncing the AFK titan out.


As boat posted, we were told not to do this as bumping ships out of a pos that we do not have the pw to is an exploit
PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#237 - 2014-04-15 02:42:08 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:

Baltec, if the video in question showed someone pos bowling no one would question that an exploit happened, the titan need to be replaced, and the people responsible banned.

As it stands, the provided video supports one of two conclusions:
1) The titan was bumped just inside the POS shield - Exploit.
2) The titan was bumped just outside the POS shield - Not Exploit.

You claim that the titan must have been inside the POS for ~reasons~ but provide no supporting evidence of that. Maybe after whatever op Vee went afk and drifted out of the POS. Stranger stuff has happened.


Again, if he was outside the pos why would they cyno right on top of him to bump him through the pos rather than cyno in at range and just DD him?

No idea. But that doesn't exclude the possibility. Motivation for an action, or lack thereof is not evidence as such.
Generic5Guy
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#238 - 2014-04-15 02:43:18 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:



Its not POS bowling either, that was something entirely different that related to the shields being semi permeable even without the pass word, you could charge in, and like a rubber band you'd stretch in then get flung back out, on the way in using a big enough ship would fling the things out.


That is what they did this time.
PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#239 - 2014-04-15 02:45:15 UTC
Generic5Guy wrote:


That is what they did this time.

Ok....can you prove that? The video clearly shows a titan was bumped. Why it was bumped is irrelevant. Where it was bumped, outside or inside the POS is relevant.
Generic5Guy
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#240 - 2014-04-15 02:49:53 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Generic5Guy wrote:


That is what they did this time.

Ok....can you prove that? The video clearly shows a titan was bumped. Why it was bumped is irrelevant. Where it was bumped, outside or inside the POS is relevant.


Same argument over and over again, you guys are great.

Neither of us will know 100% until CCP decides.