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[Breaking News] Caldari Navy Manhunt Announced
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Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2014-04-14 15:10:07 UTC
Seven hundred state licenses in bounties is a big as a threat as you can get. It seems that the State, while still terrible at securing shipyards has at least learned from the mistakes of the Doril massacre in how to get capsuleers to do a job for you.

Not just do it for you but grind you into the dirt, use you as a plaything. A demeaning an brutal death for anyone.

A very strong message to enemies of the State. And an even stronger one to CONCORD and the other Empires. Throw a steak on a target and watch as the sharks swarm in overwhelming force.

This, CONCORD, is how you get a thing done.

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#22 - 2014-04-14 15:15:36 UTC
Agreed. This is a much more efficient use of force and money than the State's earlier attempt.

Good to see that the State is learning - despite being betrayed from within (does anybody think this wasn't an inside job), those who did it are being efficiently hunted down and destroyed ignominiously.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2014-04-14 15:29:40 UTC
They were the controlling party for a long time were they not? I do not think that the sweep of provost loyalists, nor the polarized turn of loyalty after Heth was removed from power was as clean as it may appear. In fact, of course it would not have been, even in somewhere so used to following as the State.

It is clear that the Navy has been hurt by the recent years. Hurt badly.

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.
Vulxanis Viceroy
Vicarius Vitae
Khimi Harar
#24 - 2014-04-14 15:45:23 UTC
I have yet to be able to acquire the locations of these criminals. How have the last two been killed? None of my locator agents have been able to find them.

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Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#25 - 2014-04-14 15:48:11 UTC
Several PRIAN pilots were present at the fighting at Akkio, and relayed some of the Provists' gloating to me. Oh, Maker, those poor fools-- thinking that Pandemic Legion was in fact there to help them, to save them.

Any capsuleer capital pilot worth his biomass would be arranging an escape cyno the moment that situation turned south. The battleships flying alongside would then do best to deploy a depot, fit some basic cloaking devices, and wait for the storm to pass.

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Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#26 - 2014-04-14 16:05:44 UTC
Ayallah wrote:
They were the controlling party for a long time were they not? I do not think that the sweep of provost loyalists, nor the polarized turn of loyalty after Heth was removed from power was as clean as it may appear. In fact, of course it would not have been, even in somewhere so used to following as the State.

It is clear that the Navy has been hurt by the recent years. Hurt badly.


Ten years is a long time to make inroads into an organisation and the Navy was always a fertile recruiting ground for Provist sympathies. The healthiest thing about this, that I can see, is that the CEP and Navy are being open and honest about events and setbacks and dealing publicly with the fallout.

An open wound, cleansed thoroughly, heals fastest.

And while we're on the subject, does anyone think the other Empires are free from this sort of thing? Factionalism is a curse throughout New Eden. And when the balance of power changes as abruptly and massively as it did at Heth's ouster, it was inevitable that there would be a lot of work to be done, and aftershocks to endure.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#27 - 2014-04-14 17:08:34 UTC
Aelisha wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
The name Provist was used by Caldari patriots, who were enforcing meritocratic reforms in the State.

These guys are just regular ship thieves, typical gurista, who defame good Provists name.


With the dissolution of the CPD there is no longer a monopoly on that name I am afraid. Even if these individuals were to be Guristas claiming the Provist name (a decision I can't fathom any logical reason for), no official Provist remains to draw the distinction.

At this point, the only distinction to be made between a Provist and a Gurista is that the latter's benefactors claim a large tract of territory and a successful track record.

It is rather sad, that jaijii can't distinguish Provists from Gurista.
This is rather simple.
1) Guristas are member of criminal organization. Provists are member of disbanded CPD, they are regular workers from all corporations, who didn't commit any crime.
2) Guristas are scavengers and salvagers. They will steal everything that is not screwed in. And what is screwed, they will unscrew and steal.
3) Provists, on other hand, were enforcing meritocratic rules in different corporations.
4) Guristas are more like gallenteans, individuals, who steal stuff for themselves.
5) Provists were instead working for the whole Caldari people, uniting peoples of different corporations under common national goals.
6) Guristas are known for inappropriate appearance and behaviour
7) Provists were well trained and equipped personnel, wearing uniform, like very proper citizens.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2014-04-14 17:41:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Ayallah
No, I do not at all think that any entity is free from factionalism. Three people will form two factions of opinion after all.

But right now it is very prevalent in the State.

As to your first point, I think it is a very healthy option. The Republic purged, killing everyone in a single night and leaving the evidence on their still-warm corpses. This has sent a very powerful message to those who would embezzle or corrupt. The State is doing the same, in their way. Proving that no matter how large and unified the movement, the State is willing to do something so drastic as to put a price on your head so large that no amount of unity or force will protect you. Even a house of the Empire, a Tribe of the Republic, or a Megacorperation would take pause to have such a target on them.

It is just as forceful and resounding a 'no' as the Republic's purge. And like ours, something unprecedented that sends a clear message to every corner of the cluster.

'Do not **** with us.'

And that is something you know I respect, regardless of any other circumstances.

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.
Anslo
Scope Works
#29 - 2014-04-14 17:52:55 UTC
Factionalism there may be, but where it lies within the Empires is a pointless topic to debate. The problem's product is irrelevant aside from knowing it is a problem. The source of the problem matters.

The State found the source, and acted as needed; a lot of isk and overkill on ships.

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Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
#30 - 2014-04-14 18:53:12 UTC
Today, another of the traitor officers of the 37th squadron perished for his treachery: Dragonaur Tsatei Uppas meets his end at Samanuni

As this hunt happened in highsec, Concord kept a close eye on the capsuleers, making sure they wouldn't attack each other, but rather focus fire on these outlaws. The result showed this, the carrier went down fast, followed by the escorting ships. Anyone trying to support these Dragonaurs would quickly follow their demise.

It does seem that the Provists overestimated themselves with this theft. A step too far you might say, as they are now relentlessly hunted for the bounties placed.

As mentioned, the Caldari Navy sends a strong signal with this :*Mess with us, and you shall not be safe anywhere, you shall be hunted to the ends of the universe for your treachery!*
For people questioning where the funds come from, I like to remind them that Jita 4-4, the main tradehub of capsuleers is owned by the Caldari Navy, so they'll surely earn a nice side-income on those trading taxes.

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Lady Katherine Devonshire
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#31 - 2014-04-14 19:09:34 UTC
So are they actually paying these bounties, or is it assumed that all of these PLEX are carried in the wanted ship's cargo holds and that blind luck will determine who gets to salvage them from the wrecks.... assuming that they can be salvaged at all, which is a dubious idea at best.

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Aelisha
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#32 - 2014-04-14 19:16:19 UTC
Lady Katherine Devonshire wrote:
So are they actually paying these bounties, or is it assumed that all of these PLEX are carried in the wanted ship's cargo holds and that blind luck will determine who gets to salvage them from the wrecks.... assuming that they can be salvaged at all, which is a dubious idea at best.


The bounty is paid based on logged information and contracted corpses. There is no random element beyond who gets final blow. Tactics employed are enforcing a semblance of order on who gets highest damage on these vessels.

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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#33 - 2014-04-14 19:30:58 UTC
To be honest, I would prefer to see them use these plexes to buy more ships and wreck federation down already.
Handing them out just to catch some peoples is embezzlement of resources!

With Tibus Heth that would never happened!

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#34 - 2014-04-14 19:39:48 UTC
Tibus Heth is the reason this is happening.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

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Anslo
Scope Works
#35 - 2014-04-14 19:51:37 UTC
Morwen Lagann wrote:
Tibus Heth is the reason this is happening.

He ordered those capital ships stolen? I thought he was dead.

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Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#36 - 2014-04-14 20:41:29 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Morwen Lagann wrote:
Tibus Heth is the reason this is happening.

He ordered those capital ships stolen? I thought he was dead.

We blame everything bad on zombie Heth, here in the IGS.Big smile

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#37 - 2014-04-14 21:15:56 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Morwen Lagann wrote:
Tibus Heth is the reason this is happening.

He ordered those capital ships stolen? I thought he was dead.

Mr. Anslo, there is no reason to argue with dumb people, they will blame Caldari hero in everything, because of jealousy and hatred to our culture. Their handicap will never allow them to reach heights that Tibus Heth did, and all they have left is to scream with impotent rage.
Their names will be forgotten soon, while name of Tibus Heth will live for millenia.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#38 - 2014-04-14 21:50:07 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Morwen Lagann wrote:
Tibus Heth is the reason this is happening.

He ordered those capital ships stolen? I thought he was dead.

Mr. Anslo, there is no reason to argue with dumb people, they will blame Caldari hero in everything, because of jealousy and hatred to our culture. Their handicap will never allow them to reach heights that Tibus Heth did, and all they have left is to scream with impotent rage.
Their names will be forgotten soon, while name of Tibus Heth will live for millenia.

Not that most of us wouldn't prefer to forget it. And how can he be a hero? It seems half of the state likes him dead, and the other half is torn between not caring and blind worship, with the latter of those being a small minority... And getting smaller by the day what with the PLEX bounty on their heads.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
DeadRow
State War Academy
Caldari State
#39 - 2014-04-14 23:06:40 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
It's no different to the hiring of Capsuleer contractors via their various security agents. Only difference is that the bounty is much larger, which is itself a practical decision - throw enough money at the problem and the capsuleers will do it for them, efficiently and without further loss of naval assets.

The excessive size of the bounty is, I would suggest, designed to guarantee capsuleer interest, and to send a clear warning. You have to be a REAL fanatic to willingly accept a 40 PLEX bounty which'll see capsuleer organisations like PL take a personal interest in you.

What you call a bail out, I call ruthless and practical exploitation, of which I heartily approve.



Security contracts offer value for money for the Corporation involved. The State's bounty is about seven times what the value of the stolen capital fleet, at a conservative estimate. Sure, it more than enough to get Capsuleers to be interested, that doesn't mean it is good value for your ISK.

You are being attacked by the last remains of the CPD, not a Federation invasion fleet. It looks to me that the State is doubting it's own Navies abilities in dealing with any situation and would rather go with a double edged sword than see another embarrassment break the news.

~Hikari
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#40 - 2014-04-15 00:42:38 UTC
DeadRow wrote:
It looks to me that the State is doubting it's own Navies abilities in dealing with any situation and would rather go with a double edged sword than see another embarrassment break the news.

I disagree miss; I think you're balancing your cost-benefit calculation improperly. This purchase has little to do with the replacement costs of the ships. This is as much about communication and brand management as it is about retribution.

Opportunities that are this visible are very rare, and worth the cost in my (admittedly poor) estimation.