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An Announcement On The Future Of The World Of Darkness Project

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mechtech
Ice Liberation Army
#81 - 2014-04-14 17:52:09 UTC
The procedural generation tech that Atlanta had was very advanced, I hope we see that used in the future.


I know it may be an unpopular opinion, but I hope we actually see talking in stations now that WoD is canceled. All of the tech for it is there, and exists in the Carbon framework. It would seem like CCP could keep a fraction of the WoD dev team on board and still have the resources to finally implement a complete version of WiS.

Of course I'm not talking about injecting a full character MMO into eve, just station halls, corp meeting rooms, bars, poker rooms perhaps... no actual gameplay, just the "coffee shop" element as CCP calls it. Eve could use that, and it would really boost new player retention, especially if some of the tutorial took place in character, where migrants from other cookie cutter WoW clones would feel more comfortable before jumping in to the thick of Eve itself.
May O'Neez
Flying Blacksmiths
#82 - 2014-04-14 17:53:17 UTC
Reduction of staff several years ago finally made it impossible ... sad, I was looking forward some announcement '15 since previous fanfest demo was very cool to look at. I just hope now that you will actually do something out of the remaining guys ... both for them and for the remainting games.

I know that you don't plan à priori to include IP or assets from the dead (ah ah, play of words), but what about the tech ? Do you have Carbon-ish stuff that could be used at a later stage, like Character tech or render / interface improvements ?
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#83 - 2014-04-14 17:54:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
Not surprising either given that they were trying for a pay to win system and they wanted it to be permadeath. Paying to unlock **** on a character with real money that dies perminantly when it dies IS a good way to make money short term but I seriously doubt anyone would be doing that long term O.o

Anyone still have a link to that newsletter? I wanna read it again, make sure my recollection was correct on that bit

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Othran
Route One
#84 - 2014-04-14 17:56:59 UTC
Not into WoD myself but the (limited) feedback I got on this announcement could be summarised as :

"Did anyone expect that after 8 years something would emerge from this mess?"

(For the non-WoD peeps that can be summarised as Buffy's so old - no offence intended to WoD players but you know what I mean in terms of timing).

Hope the people directly involved get sorted in new employment soon.
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#85 - 2014-04-14 18:01:28 UTC
mechtech wrote:

I know it may be an unpopular opinion, but I hope we actually see talking in stations now that WoD is canceled. All of the tech for it is there, and exists in the Carbon framework. It would seem like CCP could keep a fraction of the WoD dev team on board and still have the resources to finally implement a complete version of WiS.

Of course I'm not talking about injecting a full character MMO into eve, just station halls, corp meeting rooms, bars, poker rooms perhaps... no actual gameplay, just the "coffee shop" element as CCP calls it. Eve could use that, and it would really boost new player retention, especially if some of the tutorial took place in character, where migrants from other cookie cutter WoW clones would feel more comfortable before jumping in to the thick of Eve itself.


Given that the initial introduction of this IS what basically killed WoD, and cost CCP so much that they had to cut 20% of their corporation's personnel, Its not greatly surprising that theyve backed off their WiS ideas is it?

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Thead Enco
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#86 - 2014-04-14 18:01:59 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Thead Enco wrote:
Stitcher wrote:
EVE is dying, DUST is dying....

I'll believe it when either one of them is actually dead.

Did you take a read Chribba's last artice in regards to new characters created in Dust? Pretty much says it all.

Ooh. Link?

Here

I misspoke,, chribba didn't write the article but did provide an analysis to issue of recycling toons
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#87 - 2014-04-14 18:05:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
Thead Enco wrote:


I misspoke,, chribba didn't write the article but did provide an analysis to issue of recycling toons


Quote:
Notice how DUST 514 has less than ten times the players online EVE has


So... 5 million or was that supposed to mean ten percent of EVE or 50,000?

Im assuming the second, not the first

Quote:
With more than 5.5 Million created characters


Oh wow, the other way. Why are ppl thinking its dying if its got ten times the players as EVE?

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Mixu Paatelainen
Eve Refinery
#88 - 2014-04-14 18:09:23 UTC
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:

WoD and White Wolf in general predated Twilight you know. By a decade I think


Sure, but the opinion the WoD MMO wasn't aimed fair and square at the enormous, but ephemeral, market for all things vampire doesn't impress me.
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#89 - 2014-04-14 18:10:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
Mixu Paatelainen wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:

WoD and White Wolf in general predated Twilight you know. By a decade I think


Sure, but the opinion the WoD MMO wasn't aimed fair and square at the enormous, but ephemeral, market for all things vampire doesn't impress me.


Why would teenage girls and housefraus be interested in a MMO :p

Especially a non actual Twilight one

ESPECIALLY a MMO where their characters can perminantly die.

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#90 - 2014-04-14 18:16:35 UTC
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Quote:
Notice how DUST 514 has less than ten times the players online EVE has


So... 5 million or was that supposed to mean ten percent of EVE or 50,000?
I think he meant to say ten time less fewer. Word order — it's a treacherous and mysterious thing. P
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#91 - 2014-04-14 18:29:44 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Quote:
Notice how DUST 514 has less than ten times the players online EVE has


So... 5 million or was that supposed to mean ten percent of EVE or 50,000?
I think he meant to say ten time less fewer. Word order — it's a treacherous and mysterious thing. P


It says 5.5 million characters later in the article O.o

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

PrettyMuch Always Right
Doomheim
#92 - 2014-04-14 18:31:49 UTC
Good. Now take the staff that's left and make them fix the user interface. MAKE THEM, you understand what I'm saying?
Captain StringfellowHawk
Forsaken Reavers
#93 - 2014-04-14 18:41:01 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Lilliana Stelles wrote:
So what will become of the IP now? Just more storyteller rulebooks and fluff?


We know the value in the IP and are going to be reviewing the status of it in the near future. There aren't any plans for it at present.

Smile



what happened to White-Wolfs Promise of fixing the IP after the horrible reception of Third Edition where you pretty much Ganked 2nd ed ideals and flipped everything on the Veteran Supporters... then again... Seeing what happens with EVE... I guess shifting everything upside down is CCP's Business model...
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#94 - 2014-04-14 18:42:18 UTC
PrettyMuch Always Right wrote:
Good. Now take the staff that's left and make them fix the user interface. MAKE THEM, you understand what I'm saying?


Fix what? Its been like it is for the whole time IVE been in game lol, I been here since 2006

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#95 - 2014-04-14 18:43:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Quote:
Notice how DUST 514 has less than ten times the players online EVE has

So... 5 million or was that supposed to mean ten percent of EVE or 50,000?
I think he meant to say ten time less fewer. Word order — it's a treacherous and mysterious thing. P

It says 5.5 million characters later in the article O.o

Yes, that's the whole point: one tenth the players; ten times more characters than EVE has characters. Hence the investigation into what brings about this insane abundance of characters. It's that vast discrepancy between players and characters — even when compared to “alts online”, aka EVE — that makes the whole thing suspicious.
Teinyhr
Ourumur
#96 - 2014-04-14 18:44:11 UTC
Mixu Paatelainen wrote:
Sure, but the opinion the WoD MMO wasn't aimed fair and square at the enormous, but ephemeral, market for all things vampire doesn't impress me.


WoD MMO was aimed at WoD fans and sure, why not, vampire enthusiasts, but vampires weren't particularly cool back in 2008. So no, it wasn't started with Twilight fanbase in mind. I think it was more of a response to VtM: Bloodlines and its cult status as THE vampire game of recent times.
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#97 - 2014-04-14 18:47:23 UTC
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Mixu Paatelainen wrote:
The teenagers who were into Twilight who were the intended cash cow when this started grew up and moved on.

Sucks for those who lost their jobs.


WoD and White Wolf in general predated Twilight you know. By a decade I think

I know one teenager who's deep into WoD and White Wolf.

Hmm, wait, it's 2014, he's turning 33 soon ...

I hope CCP can salvage the most of the talent and the IP, or eldest will blame me for killing it off :(

CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#98 - 2014-04-14 18:47:53 UTC
Captain StringfellowHawk wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:
Lilliana Stelles wrote:
So what will become of the IP now? Just more storyteller rulebooks and fluff?


We know the value in the IP and are going to be reviewing the status of it in the near future. There aren't any plans for it at present.

Smile



what happened to White-Wolfs Promise of fixing the IP after the horrible reception of Third Edition where you pretty much Ganked 2nd ed ideals and flipped everything on the Veteran Supporters... then again... Seeing what happens with EVE... I guess shifting everything upside down is CCP's Business model...



So CCP are responsible for something White Wolf did eight years before they bought the company? Youre talking Revised edition right? Not the 20th anniversary edition in 2011?

Being that the revised edition came out in 1998 and CCP didnt buy them until 2006

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Captain StringfellowHawk
Forsaken Reavers
#99 - 2014-04-14 18:47:59 UTC
Lilliana Stelles wrote:
I'm going to second the suggestion of porting some of the carbon assets into EVE (mainly clothing). I know it won't all fit, but it'd be nice to see some formal items for avatar portraits. And it'd be a nice compromise and a way to recoup some losses (possibly). If they'd started any work on hunters or technocracy or any of the other high-tech cyberpunk factions of WoD, those assets could probably just be applied directly over into Eve.



Technocracy, Virtual Adepts, Sons of ether, Glass walker items please! Oh and a Grand Klaive, Cause I want my capsuleer looking like he's hi-tech and gonna Gut someone..... Or at least a BSD Tattoo!
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#100 - 2014-04-14 18:48:07 UTC
Vampires Suck.

There i said it!
now hopefully those staff can move onto something gratifying for every one

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

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