Player Features and Ideas Discussion

First, no BS about "AFK cloakers have to go" - camping is a valid tactic with a valid counter of vigilance and fleet comp if they try and jump you.

What I'd like to see is a single use deployable with a range similar to dscan that when deployed will start a scan cycle for cloaky ships. It lasts something like 1 hours and cycles once a minute. At end of each cycle it has something like a 2% chance to detect any cloaked ship (it rolls the dice separate for each ship in range) in range and post a beacon in overview that expires after a couple of minutes. Warping to the beacon puts you a random distance and direction away from the beacon.

Still a 30% chance it won't ever detect a cloaked ship during the entire hour but gives people away to hunt a camper who is not paying attention. All the camper has to do is warp to a new safe if the beacon shows up. The only way they get de-cloaked is if someone warps to and approaches the beacon.

Does nothing to prevent cloaky camping, just creates content by turning it into a two way hunt. Could be alot of fun to be a merc corp specializing in anti-campers.

Sure, they are here. So how do you hunt them? Or should a cloaky be completely immune to the non-consentual PvP that makes Eve so great? I'm all for people going for the camping play style, they are just the only play style I can't stalk down and kill. Even the station traders can be forced to confront an adversary by manipulating supply of their chosen goods, haulers & miners can be ganked. If you are in space in Eve you should need to be vigilant.

Blah blah. Everyone loves to throw out the non-consentual PVP thing when it suits them. You can still hunt them, they will jump a gate eventually, dock/undock etc.

None of this is different for any other ship, and if you believe the cloaky is "weak" you've never flown T3. But none of this matters, because the central argument that cloaked ships are the only ones that can be in space without paying attention is true.

As a permanent wormhole space resident, I can safely say cloaked ships die all the time. They aren't some indestructible ship. That is an excuse used by people who are either too impatient to wait and kill him or don't like feeling "unsafe".

Right now, I am fairly certain there are about 10-15 neutral, cloaky scouts camped in our wormhole at all times. We still make a ton of isk, do a ton of gassing, and various other pve activities. We also have an active group of pilots ready to come to the aid of anyone caught by a pvp ship/gang.

Teamwork.....it really works!

You go into a wormhole knowing you will rarely solo rat and your entire corp is sitting in the same system - there is no parallel with null sec long term afk b*****ks

Don't care which of the many suggestions CCP uses but they need to do something about this basic, stupid and asinine mechanic that blocks PvP and PvE content. This rubbish is at epidemic proportions in some areas of null sec. As long as someone shows any level of activity they are welcome to cloak as long as they want - 24/7 afking needs a counter (and please don't respond with simplistic 'if they are afk they cant harm you comments')

So remove cloaked vessels from local.

This will enhance both PvP and PvE.....

PvP - a cloaker can now catch people in space, rather that hiding out in stations. Yaay more PvP

PvE - now you Zero-Bears don't have to scuttle off to the protection of docking because someone appeared on local. Yaay more PvE!

So many stupid comments here. Let me address what should be blantantly obvious.

1. Cloaking and cynos go hand in hand. They are not separate issues. Cyno is the ultimate form of cloak. Cyno ships do not show in local. They have no align times. No recalibration delay. No scan resolution penalty. No reactivation delay.

2. Cloakers in wormhole space are no where near as dangerous as in k-space. You cannot cyno into a wormhole. You cannot get instant intel on residents in a wormhole to pick an easy target. You can pick up non covert ships easily with a scanner. They do not magically appear in the 10s to 100s in the space of a second after a covert de cloaks.

3. Hot drops and cloaking are anti-PvP. To try to suggest that they're a counter to local is fallacious. They're a counter to risk. We have a perma-logged on Titan in our area with a bunch of people camped around it, if you engage most of that alliance you will almost certainly be hot dropped. This means not engaging those people.

People use hot drops to avoid PvP. They use perma cloaky campers to avoid PvP. Unless of course you consider PvP with no risk of losing and no chance of your opponent winning PvP. I do not.

Going back to the days of a cloaky in local being a cloaky would be a tremendous boost to PvP. If there is one cloaker in local then you have to deal with one ship which might attack you. In comparison to now where that one cloaker could be 10, 50, 100 or more ships. That's a bullshit situation with no counter and anyone that says otherwise is either stupid, a risk averse hot dropper or a troll IMO.

I love it when people try to redefine the meaning of PvP. Player vs Player implies the ability for both sides to change the outcome by player input. You are a database item owned by a player being shot by lots of players and have no practical means to change the outcome. Welcome to not PvP.