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How I can get BPO and can I build POS next to already occupied moon ?
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Desny Krtek
ErgoDron
#1 - 2014-04-14 08:44:16 UTC
Hi.

Two question from young industrialist:

1. Where I can get BPO (I've heard something about contracts, but how do they work?)
2. If some moon already has POS next to it, can I build another one there or should I destroy the enemy's one first? Can I hack POS somehow, so that it will become my own?
Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2014-04-14 09:06:24 UTC
Depends on the type of BPO you're looking for. Tech II BPO's are no longer dropped, and are only sold over contracts for obscene amounts of ISK. Tech I BPO's are generally sold by NPC's at various stations, or re-listed by players at market hubs.

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Forest Archer
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2014-04-14 09:06:33 UTC
Bpo's can be purchased on market or through contracts.
Moons can only have one pos on it so if you you want that moon you must physically remove the existing pos.

Always willing to help all you have to do is ask, though if you're in the other fleet I may not help the way you want. Just a heads up. Pub Channel: Lost Souls Trading Post
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#4 - 2014-04-14 20:33:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Sources of BPO:

* NPC Sell orders (these are always >90 days and typically >360 days). Some BPO are region specific, i.e. you can find small projectile ammo BPO anywhere, but large projectile ammo BPO are only sold in Minmatar space [this my be an incorrect example, but you get the idea]. See Chruker's site for vendors and base prices.

* Contracts. BPO which have ever had a research or manufacturing quote become "unpackaged", and can only be sold via contracts.

* In-game BPO Trade channel. The actual trades are done via contracts. Never trade via trade window.

* Sell orders forum. The actual trades are done via contracts. Never trade via trade window.

Don't build ships.
New to manufacturing
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#5 - 2014-04-14 21:28:14 UTC

Here are some clarifications:

Brand new, unresearched BPO's may be bought at NPC stations. Different NPC corps offer different BPO's, so you have to lookup who's selling your BPO to find the station you want. Sometimes players buy them from semi-remote areas of the game and relist them (with a markup) in the trade hubs, saving you the hunt (for a price).

Researched BPO's are sold by contracts. These are typically found in the market hubs. Researched BPC's may also be found in contracts.

Researching a BPO will reduce the material requirements needed to build their product. Typically, it is more expensive to produce something from an unresearched BPO than it is to buy it off the market. Highsec research lines have long queues (1-5 weeks), so expect the wait.

T2 BPO's are rare and extremely expensive items generally sold on the forums.
Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
#6 - 2014-04-14 23:37:43 UTC
You'll also need to make your own corp, and you'll need high enough standings with the empire you want to build your POS in, and have enough of the proper fuel and starbase charters to keep it running.
Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2014-04-15 15:57:05 UTC
As a new industrialist i would council against having a POS.
you can buy researched BPO or unresearched and just research them yourself in stations. Sure ome of the wait times are long but when it is done they are done.
Some BPO's don't need any research to be profitable and these are good places to start.
Not all things are profitable to build.
I am about 9 months into manufacturing and run 10 manu and 10 research slots 24/7. (not this char). The still don't need a POS and am glad i don't have the hastle and expense of running one.

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#8 - 2014-04-15 17:20:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
.. and this is all changing this summer

Dev Blog - Building Better Worlds

Highlights:
* Unlimited research and manufacturing slots (price depends on usage - blog to come on this).
* No standings to anchor control tower.
* Can anchor in 0.8 sec to 1.0 sec systems, except few restricted systems like Jita.
* Making copies will be faster.
* BPO must go in the arrays.
* Arrays will be improved (blog to come).

See the blog, and comments, for more!
Netan MalDoran
Hail To The King
The Silent Syndicate
#9 - 2014-04-17 00:52:12 UTC
Forest Archer wrote:
Bpo's can be purchased on market or through contracts.
Moons can only have one pos on it so if you you want that moon you must physically remove the existing pos.


Mind you, if you want to take down a POS then it will take A LOT of time, a constant DPS output of 700 hp's (Good sized battleship) with a damage type thats NOT resisted would take 5 hours of CONSTANT SHOOTING to bring down a small tower, plus factor in a repair fleet, likely shield hardeners, the strontium reinforced mode, massive fleets protecting the POS, plus the POS guns. Bottom line, don't try to take one down.

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Desny Krtek
ErgoDron
#10 - 2014-04-17 10:08:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Desny Krtek
Netan MalDoran wrote:
Forest Archer wrote:
Bpo's can be purchased on market or through contracts.
Moons can only have one pos on it so if you you want that moon you must physically remove the existing pos.


Mind you, if you want to take down a POS then it will take A LOT of time, a constant DPS output of 700 hp's (Good sized battleship) with a damage type thats NOT resisted would take 5 hours of CONSTANT SHOOTING to bring down a small tower, plus factor in a repair fleet, likely shield hardeners, the strontium reinforced mode, massive fleets protecting the POS, plus the POS guns. Bottom line, don't try to take one down.


I was talking about totaly abandoned towers. Do they still have shields in-tact even without fuel?
I heard, that battleship with bonused guns and heavy drones can have a constant DPS of 1400 hp/s, not 700.
If no-one will clean up abandoned POSes, we will run out of moons in high sec. Sooner or later... Next patch is all about manufacturing, POSes will become more popular, IMHO.
Netan MalDoran
Hail To The King
The Silent Syndicate
#11 - 2014-04-17 14:31:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Netan MalDoran
Desny Krtek wrote:
Netan MalDoran wrote:
Forest Archer wrote:
Bpo's can be purchased on market or through contracts.
Moons can only have one pos on it so if you you want that moon you must physically remove the existing pos.


Mind you, if you want to take down a POS then it will take A LOT of time, a constant DPS output of 700 hp's (Good sized battleship) with a damage type thats NOT resisted would take 5 hours of CONSTANT SHOOTING to bring down a small tower, plus factor in a repair fleet, likely shield hardeners, the strontium reinforced mode, massive fleets protecting the POS, plus the POS guns. Bottom line, don't try to take one down.


I was talking about totaly abandoned towers. Do they still have shields in-tact even without fuel?


They don't have shields but they still have armor, its about 1.5-2 mil hp's for a small, 25mil hp's for a medium tower and about 50mil hp' for full towers on just armor.

"Your security status has been lowered." - Hell yeah it was!

Falcon's truth
Bethan Le Troix
Krusual Investigation Agency
#12 - 2014-04-17 17:01:58 UTC
You can get most, although not all, unresearched BPOs from NPC stations in high sec.

Taking down an offline POS is not something new pilots will likely be able to do. You could pay mercenaries to do it if you trust them. There are big changes coming in terms of POS usage which may make them the poorer choice compared to NPC stations in terms of cost to use and safety. Read the latest dev blog.