Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Btw, I made a booboo when making that table (did not factor in that augmented drones don't get the specialisation 10% bonus). T_T

The correct one is the following:
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@Fabulous Rod, I really really hope you are not arguing because you use a Rattlesnake in HighSec PvE.

btw, does this factor in the planned summer changes for drones as well?

typical dps-centric thinking

the gila isn't just having it's dps application methodology changed
it's LOSING all aspects of versatility

not one or two, ALL aspects of versatility

I was looking more at the speed and tracking of Valkyrie IIs... frigates are going to look at it and say "NOPE, NOPE, NOPE!!! RUNNING AWAY"

If someone is webbing one of your drones, he is sure as hell not webbing you. Be content.

Also, the new Gila fields the equivalent of 12 medium drones, with another 48 in its drone bay. Thats an effective drone bay bandwidth of 600mbit.

Add to that 19,000 Damage points in 70s from RLMs.

Lastly, medium drones get a ******* speed boost in summer. Read the drone dev blog.



Before that, they had to throw away 5 drones....

Yeah, because webs are not used in PvP against Guristas ships, they are magical. Stop embarrassing yourself.

Pot-kettle....no?

Except that...

- currently 5x Warrior IIs with 3 DDAs will deal ~200 dps.
- the proposed design will have 2 Valkyries dishing ~500 dps.
- the proposed design can hold a total of 10 medium drones.

So if a frigate webs or shoots one medium drone down they will still be dealing with the other which will be dealing more damage than 5x Warrior IIs.
And (depending on whether you insist on having 5 light drones of some kind or not) you should have somewhere between 5 to 8 "spares" medium drones available.


Granted... the coming Valkyries will still be significantly slower compared to the Warriors (4800 m/sec versus 8000 m/sec respectively) ... but it still enough to fend off most non-interceptor frigates (which average between 2500 to 4000 m/sec).

To be fair, if they continue this trend with the rattler, than it will literally have no defense against anything smaller than a battlecruiser excepting smartbombs or rapid heavies. What should have happened is that they should have kept the same drone bonuses as before for the gila and the rattler after it (assuming they'll be doing the same thing), and gave the gila a slight nerf to its bandwidth and space, so as to not step on the toes of the rattler. All ships, from worm to rattler should get an omni damage bonus. Rattler improves, Gila balances out to roughly the same dps with better options for missiles, and the worm gets to keep its twin beefy hitman drones. Everybody's hap-oh god I'm sorry; I can't continue, hahahaha!

Nobody can ever please everyone. People are always going to ***** and moan, but at the end of the day what matters most for a rebalance thread is that there are more people who like the features than dislike them. Frigates and cruisers are very diferent beasts with different tactics and abilities to them. The devs simply thought that because of how well-received the frigate thread was, it would be playing it safe to carry the same ideas over, which while logical, ignores quite a few basic game mechanics.

That and they shot themselves in the foot with thinking the cynabal still needed a rebalance after the cruiser rebalances. If it ends up working, then fine. But mark my words...if they decide to pull this **** with the rattlesnake...it'll become utter garbage since it won't be able to use anything other than big drones that can't hit the broadside of a barn, despite having a battlecruiser tank on them...

He could be practising to be a politician, diplomat or lawyer. I mean, that's exactly what most of them do. Take things out of context and make a general fuss over nothing, or the wrong thing entirely.



Not to mention that if they're webbing a drone, they aren't webbing you. If you web them, you'll be able to move into range to sit on top of them, abandon the drone that's webbed, launch a new one directly on top of them, and proceed to ignore what's going on. I'm assuming he means brawling/scram kiting ships with webs, because I've personally never seen a dual TD Condor with a web.

Also, just for visibility, the Gila's mediums have 8-10k EHP with just skills. With a full set of 10, anybody who decides to shoot the Gila's drones is clearly ********, because by the time they're all dead enough damage would have been done to kill the Gila itself entirely, and more. All while sustaining probably at least one drone worth of DPS and the Gila's missiles.