EVE New Citizens Q&A

To begin, this isn't a QQ thread, or an OMG HISEC IS GREAT thread. I want in the worse way to get out of CrapSec and see something more enjoyable and actually not revolving around being AFK amongst a bunch of rocks and repetitvely scripted, uninventive, and unengaging missions, I just can't figure this sh** out.

So far I have been mining ice with an ALT in HiSec all the way up to near 6M SP. ALL in industry. Generally the character pulls 100M-150M ISK a day in a few hours. Fairly important since I am a broke bastard trying to scratch by in life and pay for this game purely through ISK, easily I might add.

Skills in ice mining are maxed, I'm not getting anymore out of a barge (ISK/Hr Wise) with any other skill then I am now. Sadly this isnt even a major increase over what I was making at say 3M SP.

Now on this char, I am just sitting under 3M SP. All in combat, mostly battlecruiser + missiles + shields.

The problem is I have tried a bit of EVERYTHING trying to find something that makes close to mining and is at least a bit enjoyable, because circling a rock all day is god damn boring, but it never pans out.

I tried LowSec PVP, turns out that its going to be another 6 months before I am even close to being able to do anything, even with a partner. So lets scratch that, unprofitable, fighting with no chance of winning is just boring as well, and chasing people who warp out/dock on sight of a local blip greatly reduces the pool of targets within my range. +1 Vote for remove F'n local BTW.

Next is wormholes. This one really pissed me off. I thought well, when risk is higher, so should the reward be equally higher. Then if you throw on the amount of effort + the amount of people, not only should this be exciting and fun, but make me get close to my miner. SO I talked to a friend who has very high SP, believe close to 50M, and talked it out. Well he's never on, so he's poor as hell and couldnt afford to bring a BattleShip into wormhole, so I dropped 500M for one for him, wrote it off as an investment in fun and new revenue.

Figured we would take a shot at some relic/data sites. They got to be good if there behind all that right? What did I find? (And yes, using a cargo scanner), nothing valued any higher then doing it in HiSec (Which is pathetically low by the way, like 10K/Hr low)! Not a damn thing was valued in anything higher then a 4 digit number.

Then I figured we would take out some combat sites. Damn were they overwhelming. With me in a drake, and him sitting in a BattleShip, 50M SP into a BattleShip mind you, we were taking FOREVER to clear one site, at least an hour. So it breaks down to roughly 2M more an hour than mining in HiSec by my math.

My question. What. The. F***.

How is it that doing something you can do AFK with little to no effort (not that I AFK when mining, thats bad for profit margins - [Support Code]) is so many times more profitable then something that takes immense amount of effort, hundreds of times more dangerous, and patrolled by armed to the teeth players and rats? I see 100X Risk and 1.01X Reward. In fact I LOSE money when I try to do any of this crap if you take into account the fact that I now have to bring my miner as a salvager / free DScanner and Combat Scanner.

Am I missing something? Is the battlegrounds closing down to a more alluring theme park? Or do you just compensate for fun == no profit with your RL wallet and PLEX? I just can't fathome how HiSec is more profitable then LowSec AND Wormhole. No, this is not a rant about lost ships, or afk cloakers, or not wanting to do it. I never lost a ship in these places due to being diligent and careful, dont give two flying f***s about afk cloakers, and I did try, I mean REALLY tried.

So, what am I missing here?

For one, I am not comparing my self to others, I actually am basing my comparisons on my self lol.

I was more pissed that I made less than I did in HiSec, not that I didnt come out rich. That is my concern. That The only way for me to maintain profitability is to cut out the fun.

As for incursions and missions, just not a fan. I made the combat toon for the purpose of higher risk activities because I feel that the fun in this game revolves around the activities that takes place amongst areas of danger. Things that are not static and repetitive. However I just don't see how financially it works when I can make so incredibly much more in HiSec, and the thought of HiSecing it up for the next 6-12 months while a strict plan queue progresses sends chills down my spine. I honestly don't want to be stuck in HiSec simply because I want to PLEX my account with the account I am playing with but every venture into something dangerous and exhilarating is a bust and so far a waste.

If there is something profitable out of HiSec that a person can do I would love to know, right now I just feel like I am treading water, and other times I just feel like I'm drowning trying to achieve venturing out of HiSec.

If you want to make money in dangerous space join a null-sec alliance or wormhole corporation (that is a corp that lives in wormhole space, not just goes there once). That's where the money lies.
Either that or farm FW plexes.

But if you want to buy a PLEX each month whatever you do will involve some farming that's not going to be very fun. That's just the way things are, again you must consider the market, PLEXes are sold by real players for isk, why would they sell something that cost them real money for isk if getting isk was painless.
If you want to pay for your game with isk you're signing up to grind in someone else's place, unless you're one of those clever market players that makes loads of money with speculation.

this may sound wild and unorthodox, but have you ever considered playing for fun instead of farming ISK?

I'de love to, and thats what I am trying desperately to do, but fun doesnt buy ships and fittings nor does it keep my combat account live on its own.



I actually originally picked up BC's for incursions but then decided against anything even remotely similar to the "WoW" HiSec experience. So I currently am training up for T2 Frigates as we speak.

What in exploration am I missing? Is there something? All I have seen all day was trash in a puzzle box? Is there a trick? Or is WH just crap to begin with?

there is a thread on this forum's main page, 4 down that we give help to someone with relic/data sites.

Mining and Mission running are the two most CONSISTENT income generators, with missioning being much better than mining at level 4, especially in teams where one is salvaging while the rest kill stuff quickly and then move on to the next mission.


Really, in general all income generation is considered dull and boring, like doing dailies or whatever. You just choose the one that pays for your losses that is the least aggravating. Trading has the biggest payoff of all, scamming and corporate theivery are probably in close second, mining is generally dead last place. Most people who mine, don't mine because they want to get uber rich, they mine because they enjoy it, kinda like people that enjoy fishing or gardening. wtf?

Exploration is very hit and miss, but should average a couple 100m, assuming you have the playerskills and character skills to do the sites quickly and move. It is pretty horribad at first, but that applies to every income generator in game. There is a growing pains period that will suck, but then things level out later.

Mining in highsec is indeed the best isk/effort. Afteral, you can't divide by 0 but it's very close. It also peaks faster than other activities, but stagnates after the point you have access to exhumers and ice harvesters while other activities scale up much further. But there are other activities that potentially pay out much more and can be more interesting than that (from my views anyway). For example I can make twice as much a day as you do by just logging on a trader and spending 30 minutes in the market a day, and you can also easily make the equivalent of ~3 hours of daily mining with just production planets alone (which take like 2 hauling runs a week to sustain).

These are just examples. There is plenty more, like Incursions. Level 4 missions aren't particulary SP intensive and can be an easy source of ~70m ISK/hr with a good LP corp for example. As for highsec being drastically more profitable than low/null. try multiboxing lv 4 FW missions for a faction that's at tier 4 or higher and talk to us again.

You're also forgetting the point of this game... it's to have fun. I can endure a lower isk/hr activity as long as it's entertaining on its own. If this game revolved purely about making ISK everyone would be a trader with 20 multiboxed miners/PI accounts.

But if your not having fun, then its work (at least to me) and if its work then why do it?

better to say, players that do that end up sitting in station for weeks afraid to come out because someone is afk cloaking in system.

Poor and frustrated, welcome to null.

You know there is that place called providence where if you abide "the laws" and behave like a good citizen, the locals wont shoot you in sight.
If you can rat in lv4's you can survive in null and thats about 6mil SP or maybe 3-6 months or so.

Find the local CVA diplo, get your behind on intel channels and off with your corp to the vastness of null sec though they say Provi is the crappiest space there is but at least it's habited space unlike most of "good" null as a bonus you can even dock in stations in Provi without being blue to holders.