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unsubbing till off grid boosting removed

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#61 - 2014-04-11 08:53:12 UTC
Val'Dore wrote:


Just because CCP hasn't figured out how to kill OGB without a mountain of code, doesn't mean it should be kept in the game...


To the contrary; it's just about the only reason they're still in game.

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Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#62 - 2014-04-11 09:05:28 UTC
OGB has been there quite long time and game is still running so it can not be game braking feature at all.

It was there 2006 when i started.
Aivo Dresden
State War Academy
Caldari State
#63 - 2014-04-11 10:13:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Aivo Dresden
If you have 4 accounts, why isn't one boosting you?!

Seriously though, people complain and moan about OGBs, but you should keep in mind it takes almost a year to train it to a level where you can do that properly, not to mention you need to sub 2 accounts.

If they removed that and all the OGBs instead started rocking around as Falcon alts, would you whine about that instead? It's just simple math, 2 players > 1 player. Use your 4 accounts and go kill the OGB or get your own trained up.

It's not like it takes any effort scanning them either. 90% of the time the OGB will just sit on the station undock, or at one of the random POSes. Just stop complaining and go do something about it instead.
Bunnie Hop
Bunny Knights
#64 - 2014-04-11 10:41:18 UTC
My youngest often holds her breath to try to get what she wants too, it doesn't work for her either....Roll
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#65 - 2014-04-11 10:46:13 UTC
Bunnie Hop wrote:
My youngest often holds her breath to try to get what she wants too, it doesn't work for her either....Roll

Mine pretends he's the cat, cos the cat doesn't give a ****.
hmm, somewhat less applicable.

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BrundleMeth
State War Academy
Caldari State
#66 - 2014-04-11 10:53:06 UTC  |  Edited by: BrundleMeth
Well I'm unsubbing until he comes back....

No not really...

CCP should have a new rule. Every nub mumbling "Can I have your stuff" like a begging goof should be perma banned...from everything...
Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#67 - 2014-04-11 11:19:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Jarod Garamonde
Rare Serious Post by Garamonde.... please read. I don't go completely dead-serious very often.

Off-Grid Boosts make PERFECT sense and must ALWAYS be kept in the game. As long as your "commander" alt is in-system and has to be decloaked, it is already balanced and realistic.
If you're pissed about the other fleet having OGB, then there are two solutions to this:

1. Bring your own OGB, and even the score.
2. Probe down their OGB, and send a detachment to kill it. Those ships are usually unarmed, so it won't take much. Plus, the rest of his fleet will warp to the booster, and you can still fight on THAT grid after the boost alt dies.

There is at least one account, per PvP corp that is a dedicated booster alt. CCP would lose a lot of income by nixing OGB.... it would make a lot of accounts worthless.

I will probably return to my normal constructive troll ways, immediately following this post.

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Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#68 - 2014-04-11 11:22:48 UTC
BrundleMeth wrote:
Well I'm unsubbing until he comes back....

No not really...

CCP should have a new rule. Every nub mumbling "Can I have your stuff" like a begging goof should be perma banned...from everything...



It's actually mostly us bittervets that do that.
And you know what? sometimes they actually do give us their stuff when we say it.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#69 - 2014-04-11 12:00:07 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Val'Dore wrote:


Just because CCP hasn't figured out how to kill OGB without a mountain of code, doesn't mean it should be kept in the game...


To the contrary; it's just about the only reason they're still in game.


And here I was thinking Joe Biden didn't play EvE.

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Balshem Rozenzweig
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#70 - 2014-04-11 13:07:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Balshem Rozenzweig
Super spikinator wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:

Because everything in EVE behave like in reality right? Why are projectiles from guns able to travel over 200 km withing a single second? How can my secure container hold more than it's own volume within itself?

It's not about what it's like in reality it's about balance. Why is a ship having an influence in combat not on the line of fire like all other ship having an effect on that same fight? It's just as stupid as the drone boat hiding behind a POS shield.


Ok, I admit, I cocked it by making a real world comparision, I apologise.

But why would ANY of this mean it suddenly makes sense to put a Command and Control Unit at the front in a battle?

Its just a terrible idea, there is no reason why it should be this way.

Either match it with your own, or hunt it down and kill it. What is wrong with that?


The fact that it's not on grid where the fight is happeneing is what is wrong. Your command unit in the sense of current IRL NORAD would be the off-grid prober giving a warpin on the enemy logi group by using it's own version of surveillance satellite (combat probes) to direct you in a strategic way. All the bonus we get out of boosters currently are more tactic which would be the equivalent of the "on the field" platoon leader directing his troop to to be more efficient on the field.

At least that what it look like from my point of view...


Armoured warfare as a boost makes no sense at all and the rest amount to using the command ship as a glorified multithread multicore CPU processor, which in a game where we can instantly communicate over 200+ lightyears, and if you have contact details into another dimension points more to the why would you want to be on field?

While I can understand if the gripe of an Off grid booster was about the booster being behind a POS shield (not sure if they can still do that or if CCP got around to it) you have every opportunity to probe down the command ship, lock it down and either scare it or force your opponent onto defensive measures. If you cannot do this then I would assume that you are not fighting against an even force and that their boosts are cutting your battle mercifully short.]

While this isn't F&I the only thing I would suggest to CCP to make warfare links a "siege" mode so that the ship itself is stuck in space while using their links. This would mean that FCs would have to be concious of the positioning of the command ships and be ready to pull forces to defend them off grid. This also means that people who are fast on their probes have a chance to catch out command ships.

By command I mean any ship with a warefare link.


The answer to this is called docking. Sure - the guy lost his links for the 10 seconds you're there, but you already had to divert resources and peoples' time to do it.

This is what all the "whining" about links comes down to - the mechanic is tedious. You need to put a lot of effort to verify if the links are in systems, not to mention who has them. The KB also doesn't show them. Recently an incursus slaughtered my corax, and it shouldn't happen. But hey - the guy has a perfect kill. I had to jump way back to my home system and reship. Then I just went into completely oposite direction. Waiting for a fight, and warping there and back cost me 30 minutes I got nothing from.

Blobs/gangs? I would have warped away from any target I couldn't kill fast enough to make the acceleration gate give me enough time. Sure - I could have failed, but at least I would get some experience from the fight. The little thing called local would have told me if blob/gang were there.

Link are pretty much futile engagement and wasted time. And this is why I come to forums to "cry".

off or on grid links are a secondary issue to me. I want them as obvious as blob so I can avoid them the same way I can avoid blob. Let's leave boosters to their epic duels of who can multitask better. I'm fine with that, really.

I could maybe even go with links being forced to be within certain AU radius at the beginning of the fight.

Seriously - everything is better than the current almost no risk + auto win mechanic. If I'm allowed to avoid them in a reasonably time-efficient way - I'm cool with that. If I check the dudes KB and see he's usually linked to hell - hey, I jump elsewhere.

(as for links allowing you to beat multiple people - they shouldn't. Numbers and ships' quality should be the indicator when you choose your combat. Not fear of cloaked alt in a loki.)

TL;DR - blob is visible and you can see it coming. Links are sometimes impossible to forsee/predict (esp. >50AU radius systems). As such I believe them to be unbalanced and far too surprising. Make them predictable so I can leave the "point laser and win" (yeap - just like in mining) people to play with themselves.

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Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#71 - 2014-04-11 16:32:13 UTC
My booster alt has all the specialist skills trained to 4 now. God how I love her.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."
Big Lynx
#72 - 2014-04-11 16:37:09 UTC
Am I too late to has stuffz?!? Pirate
Hal Safon
Filthy Peasants
Intergalactic Space Hobos
#73 - 2014-04-11 16:57:29 UTC
CCP has repeatedly nerfed off-grid boosting and it is really not a problem anymore.

Off-grid boosts in cloaky t3's are no longer as powerful as command ships, they are no longer invulernable to being scanned out, and they can no longer safely boost inside a POS.

What more do you want? If you want sweet revenge against boosters, train up some scanning skills and go hunting. Then you can LOL when you kill a 500 million isk booster (more if u get the pod) while the booster is tabbed away on another character.

CCP has made sensible changes to reign in off-grid bosting and I feel that boosting is currently pretty well balanced.
Arsine Mayhem
Doomheim
#74 - 2014-04-11 17:06:35 UTC
Add in sov and I'm there.