Ships & Modules

How would you make a Fleet using only Incursus and Catalyst's fits.

Idea's so far.

• Incursus fits armour repair drones and reps rail and blaster fit Catalysts.


• Incursus fits armour repairers and combat drones.


• Catalyst fits armour repairer acts as logistics.

This would be a fleet size of 5 +

Helpful advice please, sadly the ship restrictions are mandatory.

Don't try to fit logi on non-logi ships, it won't do enough to keep paper thin catalysts up. Incursus can run with local rep, but in a fleet fight it is only a matter of time. Just run with gank catalysts and local rep Incursus.

If you were to use any t1-frig/dessi besides a dedicated t1-logi as logi, make sure it is a crucifier or tristan, cause drones. Also, the reprange goes down to around 5km, which is problematic for remote armor repair especially.

If your target were to look really wonky and engageable, yet you want a sick tank amongst your mates, try this below ↓



making for 125dps each at variable ranges, goes slightly over 1km/s, projecting reps to another imicus yields ~90ehp/s. So take 5 of them and the next one tanks 5 condors until the crew went out of cap charges. Light Drones also travel quickly and don't suffer from tracking issues that much.

Thanks to all who have so far contributed.

I feel that maybe I should add this will be a mainly PVE fleet however their is a chance it could run into PvP scenarios. This is not a ganking fleet.(check out my corporation's ROE)

Points to clarify Catalyst and incursus are the only ships I will be able to use this sadly is just one limitation that has to stand, though you may not understand this I feel unable to divulge any further reasoning on this point.

So ok Incursus carry a rep drone, bad or good. As I can see from the comments logi style cat, incursus fits are definitely not a popular idea.

Yeah that is generally true, but as mentioned it is not an option, in this case, thanks anyway for your help.

You'd be better off with logi frigs and buffer comets (Maybe tristans if you're worried about price).

We did that a few times, was good fun.

No.

Sig tank doesn't actually work against multiple opponents, don't try to do this.

Given the small size of your fleet (5 ships) I would probably go with a full group of locally tanked Incursus, with damage drones.
Any shift towards non-specialised logistics as this scale and speed would almost certainly be counterproductive.

The real question is why you're limited to these (very specific) ships - skills are not the issue as, if you have the skills to fly Incursus and to make use of RR then you have the skills required to fly the Gallente T1 Frigate logistics (which have sufficient range to make sense).
Perhaps it's in your RoE but as I'm at work I can't check that, but beyond that I can't see a value in such tight restrictions.

Okay, so I'm definitely not a PvEer, so forgive me if this is off base, but it sounded like a fun setup to build.
Going with your parameters defined above (hopefully completely, as they are scattered), I've come up with the composition below. It based on the additional assumptions:
* 6 players - 5 incursus, 1 catalyst
* No skill issues ( I designed using all Lvl 5's as that makes it easier)
* Mostly PvE focused, with the ability to fend off PvPers (reasonably for a 5 man frig gang)
* No remote reppers other than drones (they aren't effective, and neither ship has a utility high)

This is not what I would consider good, and probably has remove for improvement, but it 1) meets your requirements, 2) is actually pilot-able, and 3) should be functional enough to actually accomplish the mission.

Incursus (5):

Damage Control ii
Adaptive Nano Plating ii
Small Armor Repairer ii
Small Armor Repairer ii

Small Capacitor Booster ii
Small Capacitor Booster ii
Stasis Webifier ii (3), Warp Scrambler ii (1), Target Painter ii/Warp Disruptor ii (1)

150mm Railgun ii
150mm Railgun ii
150mm Railgun ii

Small anti-explosive pump i
Small nanobot accelerator ii
Small nanobot accelerator ii

Catalyst (1):

Damage Control ii
Adaptive Nano Plating ii
Small Ancillary Armor Repairer i

Small Capacitor Booster ii
Civilian Afterburner i

150mm Railgun ii
150mm Railgun ii
150mm Railgun ii
150mm Railgun ii
150mm Railgun ii
150mm Railgun ii
150mm Railgun ii
150mm Railgun ii

Small anti-explosive pump i
Small nanobot accelerator ii
Small nanobot accelerator ii


Fitting notes for the above:
* The adaptive nano platings could be switched for specific resists if you're looking to PvE tank. I'd highly recommend the general tank if you think you'll encouter any PvP
* The civilian afterburner really is about the most useful thing I could find for the catalyts's second mid. A few other civilian modules fit, and I believe capacitor batteries or rechargers (don't recall which off-hand.) The cap mod only added about 10 seconds of cap with the booster off. The CivAB, other than being boss to actually put on a fit for reasons, brings the Catalyst's speed up to that of the prop-less incursus.

Piloting notes (dps/tank numbers are off hand, rather than the exacts. they should give a feel for effectiveness):
* This is slow. Like SLOW, so don't plan to chase, or really move that much. Hopefully you're not burning between mission gates :) The incursus should all orbit the catalyst at 500 or so, and that pilot will then move the group forward. With all the rep drones in the mix orbiting the catalyst as well, this should be a slow moving Gallente BattleBallofDoom(tm.)
* With long range ammo, everyone can reach beyond 30k (further for the catalyst) and the damage output is decent enough to kill things. Short range ammo brings targets who come within 4.5km the gift of ~700dps that's pretty fully applied. Scram, triple web and paint means you aren't sig or speed tanking. Let someone dive into the middle before you web them, and they probably aren't leaving either.
* Drones should all be tech 2 armor bots, and repping the catalylst. This brings his tank up to just shy of 200dps with heat and paste. Still a glass cannon, but will last a bit longer against non-alpha.
* Dual rep, dual injector on the incursus means they can tank 220dps pretty reasonably, until modules melt. In a pinch, drones can be sent to help an incursus, but will only add 30-40dps to the tank.
* Being almost entirely active tanked, these guys should be pretty quick to align and warp. I wouldn't engage anything you wouldn't regularly as your tank isn't bossmode. It'll do slightly better than if these ships were solo, but not enough that I'd feel like I had real logi.
* Regarding PvP directly, you're pretty limited in what you can choose to engage, and will be a nice target for others to engage. Dscan/local vigilance will be very important if you're doing this anywhere even remotely hostile, as your PvP set-up is really geared towards repelling casual attacks.


This actually sounds like a lot of fun to fly, especially if you faked PvP somewhere like FW space. And with the full 6 people should look pretty sweet. If you try this, definitely post a picture :)

might as well fly RR Vengeances :D

the default RR range on frigs is ******* ****.

so I'd say thats a rather bad Idea.


I have seen people fly Algoses with RR Drones which worked pretty good.