EVE General Discussion

Citadel Rapid Launchers. We need these because things.

The phoenix is awesome when it comes to structure shooting.

Of course the Moros perfoms just as well but the main point is that the phoenix is 100% useless for anything other than structure bashing which nowadays. where everyone and his mother got a cap in their hangar, is some sort of a waste of skilltime and ISK.

You are better off with one of the 3 other dreads. There is a lot of argueing which of these is the "best" where I would say that each dread has its ups and downs.

Overall going for a Moros, Revelation or Naglfar is by far the better descission.

I personaly fly a Naglfar which in my opinion perfoms great. A pretty good all arounder.

Really?
I seem to remember Citadel Cruise Missiles being a thing...

Granted, the addition of Citadel Cruise did not make the Phoenix epic but their have been times when it has been considered particularly threatening.

As a small point of interest, I recall an occassion when sieging LV (or maybe it was ISS) space. I was flying an Armaggedon and had had to go AFK, so I was sitting in the IAC POS when they brought out a few dreads. I spent a while drifting out of the POS shields and adding a little pressure to what the POS guns were applying. It was going quite well... The two Moros couldn't hit me and one of them was close to breaking. I drifted back into the shield to force them to relock and let my cap recharge... I was rather surprised when the greater proportion of my armour disappeared - missile flight time meant that the one volley of Citadel torps the Phoenix had thrown at me didn't reach until I was well inside the POS shield, believed myself to be safe and was therefore entirely stationary...

That'd be awesome!
Infact, that would be a great thing to CCP to consider for all missiles.

The Phoenix is much better than people give it credit for.

Didn't Phoenix used to be able to have a turret equipped back in the old days? I seem to remember seeing a picture of one with a blaster fitted for lulz xD

Nothing wrong with the Phoenix. It hits POS mods for full damage. Train your missile support skills.

Thanks for the reply, a follow up question, if you will:
The Titans in B-R were indeed holding perfectly still, but how hard is it really for a titan pilot to doubleclick in space or hit orbit? And wouldn't that speed be sufficient to mitigate a large chunk of the phoenix's damage? I would imagine this is what would happen if people started fielding the phoenix en masse.

No. In fact an Avatar moving at it's full speed of 75 m/s would mitigate exactly none of the Phoenix's damage.

Also, a question for you;

Where did you get this idea?

As a follow up question;

Do you not have access to EFT?

Thanatos is the only carrier that gets a fighter damage bonus. Fighters are getting a huge buff. It also gets a bonus to capital remote armor repairer range and capital remote shield booster range.

Archon is the only carrier that gets an armor resist bonus. It also has bonuses to capital remote armor repair range and capital remote capacitor transmitter range.

Chimera is basically the same as the Archon except its bonuses are to shield resist and remote shield booster range instead of the armor stuff. It also has more slots for tank (7 medium 4 low, instead of the Archon's 7 low, as well as 4 mids that aren't useful for tank).

Nidhoggur is really good for repairing structures since it's the only carrier that gets a bonus to repair amount, both on shield as well as armor. It also has a remote shield and remote armor range bonus.

They're really all situational but as far as PVP goes right now the Archon and Chimera are the more popular options because of the combination between high resists and the repair range bonuses.