EVE General Discussion

And thus the ever increasing douchebaggery of the general EVE community and the worsening reputation of EVE online, and its players.

Dickheads breeding Dickheads.

Yeah, its totally not because they're also the easiest ship to kill. While it might not always make you a griefer, what did you profit from said kill? You say that its done for profit. Last I checked, pods don't drop loot.



Read again, that's not what I said. Noobs aren't getting killed autopiloting, they're not getting killed flying without a tank. They're getting killed because its easy for someone with more skills and a better knowledge of the game to take advantage of them and especially kill them when they're in some cases hours old.

And by the by, I didn't learn anything but to run away when I was fist ganked. I didn't learn anything about fitting ships, I didn't learn anything about how to interact, the only thing I learned is no one in EVE is to be trusted, but then I had knew that already. It was merely demonstrated. The only thing it made me do was debate on if I could spend time on a game that could wipe out what I spent time on. Fortunately for you people and EVE, I probably decided on an illogical expenditure of my time. I wouldn't count on most to be of such bent. But surviving is about Logistics, not tactics.

While seeking profit is what CCP have declared as a non-grief activity, they have also stated that:

"players who are found to be consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience for others may receive a warning, temporary suspension or permanent banning of his account... ...The EVE universe is a harsh universe largely driven by such conflict and notice must be taken of the fact that nonconsensual combat alone is not considered to be grief play per the above definition.."

"consistently maliciously interfering" is different to just killing a pod, even if the player shooting pods doesn't directly profit from it.

I have always wondered why some people get outraged when pvp happens to them in this pvp focused game.

Its just a healthy normal response. It should pass after a few. I've seen some guys take it in stride but only after they have a good income stream or if I fixed them up with a buddy system plex.

Nothing is changed, in that you still shouldn't pick on rookies, especially in rookie systems.

It isn't rocket surgery, so drop the dramatics and histrionics.

Hello all,

I want to clear up some misunderstandings concerning our knowledgebase article on grief play. I'll also clarify the purpose of this KB article and our overall stance on grief play.

Has CCP's stance on grief play changed? - The answer is simple: Absolutely nothing has changed. There are no new grief play rules in place, we are operating under the same policy as we have been for many years now.

This knowledgebase article has existed since January 2007 and not many edits have been made to it in this time. All of the edits to this article have been for the purpose of clarification. In interest of transparency, every recent edit to this article is listed below:

2008.04.23 06:07 - Edit to category relations, this edit was purely a background change for better search term/keyword associations for better visibility in our knowledgebase system.

2011.05.25 05:17 - Two paragraphs were added to clarify what constitutes grief play. "This should not be confused with standard conflict..." and "An example of grief play would be the so called "Can baiting" in starter systems..."

2012.06.13 10:21 - An addition was made to the final paragraph, making explicit mention of the Arnon system in addition to starter systems, as the SOE epic arc is considered to be the final part of the tutorial sequence.

2012.09.25 14:40 - The mention of Arnon was edited to cover all of the Blood Stained Stars epic arc systems. There have been no further edits or additions to this article since this date. No recent changes have been made to how we handle these incidents. There is no new rule concerning the SOE epic arc.

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Compared to most other multiplayer games, EVE Online is a game with very few restrictions. As all of you know, various activities which are frowned upon in other games are allowed in EVE, it is one of the things which makes EVE a fairly unique game universe. Scamming is one such activity, nonconsensual combat is another.

EVE is a complex game, a notoriously difficult game to learn. The tutorial system has seen large improvements in recent years but the fact simply is that EVE is a hard game to get into. It is very much in the interest of the EVE Community that it continues to grow and we have therefore, as alluded to in the grief play KB article, extended a degree of protection to rookie pilots, in particular those who're still going through the tutorial. This is not a new stance at all.

The primary purpose of this article is to enable a rookie player to get through the tutorial in peace, to enable a new pilot to learn and understand the mechanics of EVE without being taken advantage of by far more experienced players.

The purpose of this KB article is not to forbid scamming, can baiting, can flipping/mission item ransoms, suicide ganking, nonconsensual war declarations or other activity which might constitute a ToS violation in other games. The purpose of this article is certainly not to forbid combat between war targets, even if they happen to meet each other in a rookie system. We believe the grief play article is fairly clear that standard nonconsensual conflict is not considered grief play.

The purpose of this article is not to give rookie players an impenetrable shield; if a rookie stops doing the tutorial and flies into a low security system, anything which would ordinarily be allowed in EVE would be fair game. You will not be banned if you happen to come across and blow up a two day old character in Egghelende. We would however appreciate if you gave the rookie some helpful tips afterwards, we believe doing so is very much in the spirit of EVE.

There are thousands of solar systems in EVE and it has always been somewhat of a mystery to us why the starter systems, and rookies going through the initial steps of the tutorial in particular, have been such a popular target for can baiting. Our stance on this activity, our grief play policy, was very much formed out of necessity as new pilots who'd been playing for less than an hour were routinely being tricked in this manner before they'd even had a chance to dock.

This is less of a problem now, in some part due to our stance on grief play but also due to a greatly improved tutorial, but it is nevertheless still a problem. In all honesty, it does make us question a player's motives when out of all of the numerous solar systems in EVE a rookie starter system is chosen to conduct a can baiting operation. Serious offenders of this policy may be subject to further restrictions in their activities if deemed necessary. GM Spiral covered this topic last year in this post so I will not expand on that further in this post.

I hope this post makes our stance crystal clear. I wish to state up front that we do not intend to enter a debate on semantics and we will not be defining and providing a comprehensive list of every activity which runs afoul of the grief play policy. The reason for this was outlined pretty well by Nevyn Auscnet in this post. The EVE player-base is very resourceful, it is our experience that our players often manage to think up and carry out scenarios which we had never even dreamed of. Should such a scenario come up in relation to rookie griefing, we will act in accordance to the spirit of the policy we've set in the grief play article.

When would you ever reasonably expect a single player's kill count to exceed the number of people killed while autopiloting? The 2 are so incomparable that making such a comparison is meaningless. On the other hand when you look at the number of successful AP trips you see that on the whole it's pretty safe unless you're gank profitable.

I don't know why, but this sentence has an extremely sexy tone swinging with it.

yes it dose , you need to be something of a colossal anus to fall for it though.