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Gal Faction warfare missions, what ship do you use?
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Sarpy Aranori
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2014-04-09 20:11:25 UTC
I've asked about in-game, in the militia channel and never gotten a response.

Is it possible to do lvl 4 Gal FW missions in a stealth bomber? if not, what other ships would you suggest?
Combatevolved
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2014-04-09 20:28:37 UTC
Don't do fw missions.
Sarpy Aranori
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2014-04-09 20:36:22 UTC
Combatevolved wrote:
Don't do fw missions.


That doesn't help, in the slightest. If you don't have an answer why comment with that?
Veskrashen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4 - 2014-04-09 20:50:58 UTC
For GalFW missions, there's a few things to consider.

1. Caldari rats use missiles as primary, with over 100km range. You're not kiting them, you can't speed tank them or count on sig + traversal to keep you alive.

2. DPS increases as you stay in the mission. At peak you need to be able to tank about 500-600 kin/therm DPS.

3. In order to break the tank of the BS rats, you need to be doing about 350-400DPS. On Reprisal, the rat MWDs and neuts, so HAMs and HMLs can take a pretty big application hit.

4. Caldari rats jam, and it doesn't really matter what your sensor strength is. I've gotten jammed 11 times in a single mission using a Proteus with over 80 sensor strength.

The DPS and tank requirements basically mean you're relegated to using HACs and Strat Cruisers like the Ishtar, Cerberus, Deimos, Proteus, and Tengu. You can make some CovOps capable Proteus and Tengu fits with 450+ DPS and 550+DPS tanks for under 400mil - that's generally what I prefer.

Just watch out for SNIGG interceptor gangs.

We Gallente have a saying: "CCP created the Gallente Militia to train the Fighters..."
Sarpy Aranori
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2014-04-09 20:59:27 UTC
Veskrashen wrote:
For GalFW missions, there's a few things to consider.

1. Caldari rats use missiles as primary, with over 100km range. You're not kiting them, you can't speed tank them or count on sig + traversal to keep you alive.

2. DPS increases as you stay in the mission. At peak you need to be able to tank about 500-600 kin/therm DPS.

3. In order to break the tank of the BS rats, you need to be doing about 350-400DPS. On Reprisal, the rat MWDs and neuts, so HAMs and HMLs can take a pretty big application hit.

4. Caldari rats jam, and it doesn't really matter what your sensor strength is. I've gotten jammed 11 times in a single mission using a Proteus with over 80 sensor strength.

The DPS and tank requirements basically mean you're relegated to using HACs and Strat Cruisers like the Ishtar, Cerberus, Deimos, Proteus, and Tengu. You can make some CovOps capable Proteus and Tengu fits with 450+ DPS and 550+DPS tanks for under 400mil - that's generally what I prefer.

Just watch out for SNIGG interceptor gangs.


That's brilliant, thank you for answering. Very clear and helpful c:

I've been thinking about giving it a go in a T3, but, would I have any luck in a loki? Or do they have no luck with FW missions and such, just asking as the Loki is the only one I could fly at the moment
JAF Anders
Adenosine Inhibition
The Chicken Coop
#6 - 2014-04-09 21:47:06 UTC
If you have a few friends, a small group of bombers can run missions quickly and cheaply. The only thing holding a Loki back is its innate resistance hole to Kin/Therm, which is what the mission NPCs shoot at you. The Tengu and Proteus don't suffer from this setback.

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Combatevolved
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-04-09 21:49:11 UTC
Veskrashen wrote:
For GalFW missions, there's a few things to consider.

1. Caldari rats use missiles as primary, with over 100km range. You're not kiting them, you can't speed tank them or count on sig + traversal to keep you alive.

2. DPS increases as you stay in the mission. At peak you need to be able to tank about 500-600 kin/therm DPS.

3. In order to break the tank of the BS rats, you need to be doing about 350-400DPS. On Reprisal, the rat MWDs and neuts, so HAMs and HMLs can take a pretty big application hit.

4. Caldari rats jam, and it doesn't really matter what your sensor strength is. I've gotten jammed 11 times in a single mission using a Proteus with over 80 sensor strength.

The DPS and tank requirements basically mean you're relegated to using HACs and Strat Cruisers like the Ishtar, Cerberus, Deimos, Proteus, and Tengu. You can make some CovOps capable Proteus and Tengu fits with 450+ DPS and 550+DPS tanks for under 400mil - that's generally what I prefer.

Just watch out for SNIGG interceptor gangs.



Sounds like the caldari rats are better than actual caldari fleets.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#8 - 2014-04-10 00:11:20 UTC
Combatevolved wrote:
Veskrashen wrote:
For GalFW missions, there's a few things to consider.

1. Caldari rats use missiles as primary, with over 100km range. You're not kiting them, you can't speed tank them or count on sig + traversal to keep you alive.

2. DPS increases as you stay in the mission. At peak you need to be able to tank about 500-600 kin/therm DPS.

3. In order to break the tank of the BS rats, you need to be doing about 350-400DPS. On Reprisal, the rat MWDs and neuts, so HAMs and HMLs can take a pretty big application hit.

4. Caldari rats jam, and it doesn't really matter what your sensor strength is. I've gotten jammed 11 times in a single mission using a Proteus with over 80 sensor strength.

The DPS and tank requirements basically mean you're relegated to using HACs and Strat Cruisers like the Ishtar, Cerberus, Deimos, Proteus, and Tengu. You can make some CovOps capable Proteus and Tengu fits with 450+ DPS and 550+DPS tanks for under 400mil - that's generally what I prefer.

Just watch out for SNIGG interceptor gangs.



Sounds like the caldari rats are better than actual caldari fleets.


My alts prot has 199 sensor strength and still gets jammed sometimes.
Liam Inkuras
Furnace
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
#9 - 2014-04-10 03:09:36 UTC
Ishtar is love
Ishtar is life

Honestly though, a standard shield PvP Ishtar can run any level 4 mission in the game. Here's what I used for SOE null missions, and am going to assume it works just as well, if not better, for FW missions.

Ishtar - Shield

Internal Force Field Array I
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Warp Disruptor II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II (or web, for more defense against hero tacklers)
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II

Drone Link Augmentor II
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
125mm Gatling Autocannon II

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II

Garde II x9
Bouncer II x5
Warrior II x5

Drones can be a mixed bag, whatever you feel like running works. This fit pumps out 750dps with Gardes, can defend itself, and is fairly quick as well.

I wear my goggles at night.

Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone
Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#10 - 2014-04-11 04:18:56 UTC
From what I've seen the mission rats kill drones. How would you modify your tactics to deal with this?

Also, when comparing SOE missions to FDU missions, does one typically run into constant jams / missile spam flying SOE?
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#11 - 2014-04-11 04:20:50 UTC
Real men use the HAM Phoenix

Things are only impossible until they are not.